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It is possible that this item, #10263909, is an expensive item.
But can this item even be included in the Catalog?
It says so in the Postage Stamp Handbook.

We do include sheets in the catalogue, but field parts such as pairs, blocks/strips of 4 (or 5, 6, etc.), combinations of sheets or blocks, stamps with leaf edges, coin dates and any other divisions are not included.
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Just enjoy your stamp collection and let Lastdodo help you. But in the meantime we are trying to improve the stamp catalog (and that sometimes leads to some discussion). But we also try to help where we can, so feel free to ask any questions.
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The title of the thread indicates where was searched, but not found (?). Let's convert what is now the Issue field into something that has its use and value. Until then my answer is yes,
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I'm not familiar with Italian stamps. It does not sound strange to me that a standard catalog does not include tests, but that an expert does compile a catalog of such tests. It is a specialist subject. And specialist catalogs are not always published by or under the big names.

An example that hits closer to home for me is Douglas Myall's Machin Handbook, the bible for Machin collectors. Don't come to me with Stanley Gibbons numbers for Machins. They don't mean anything to me: Deegam or Connoisseur is much more accurate. (NB Connoisseur was prepared by a specialist dealer and is used by John M. Deering of Machin Watch.) I imagine someone who collects proofs from Sardinia would consider Sassone as fireplace kindling paper.

https://www.usfi.eu/i-libri-e-le-pubblicazioni/paolo-cardillo/

The catalog seems real to me. I cannot tell you to what extent the entered price is a wish price. I don't really see what the green color proof has to do with this. The certificate does not address this. If you have any reservations about what has been introduced, I can understand that.
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Cardillo Catalog No. P36a, Sassone not catalogued.

I think it's a strange story Esquerdo, with this Paolo Cardillo. These stamps were therefore not issued and are not in the Sassone, but are in the Cardillo catalogue. His own catalogue.








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I think the certificate states that it is a color proof of a stamp of an unissued design.

And yes, it says Kingdom of Sardinia on the certificate.

Charles1971 , here is a link to Paolo Cardillo's site on which he offers a single color proof of Cardillo No. 36a - according to the text, Sassone did not include this stamp in the catalog - for €45.

https://spcstamps.com/products/copia-del-sard622-1854-iii-emissione-c-5-oro-prova-di-colore-della-ii-composizione-nuova-non-gommata-p36a-1

He has another one on his site: https://spcstamps.com/collections/europa-area-italiana-antichi-stati-italiani-regno-di-sardegna-iii-emissione
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Who knows more about these stamps? #10263909 ?.
The country seems to me to be Italian states - Sardinia . With such a catalog value, more and correct data must be provided.
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Y&T states the overprint for this block 
"EMPIRE
CENTRAFRICAIN"
(2x)
Both for this item and for the many items that were similarly overprinted when the empire was founded in 1976-1977, Y&T always shows the shape and the nature of the letters of these overprints, but without mentioning the colour of the overprint anywhere. 
Y&T also explains that in general the colour of the overprint is stated if the overprint is not black.
For all the aforementioned overprints, the catalologue Y&T does not mention a colour anywhere, which suggests that Y&T does not know it itself or that the overprints have many possible colors at random.
See also:
https://www.histoire-et-philatelie.fr/pages/005_decolonisation/1240_ex-colonies_4.html
where some colours of overprints are mentioned. 
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Thank you all, but from the responses I understand that it is all very difficult/confusing. What it is and how it should be done, I dare not say.
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The silver color appears shifted. There is a border that appears as if a previous silver print has been removed, without removing the border at all. One explanation could be that this is one of those more modern forgeries and someone removed the silver rectangles and then improperly added new ones with the red print. Then the silver should be a kind of foil stamping. This can be removed without damaging the rest of the print.
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If you pay attention to the two A's (on the red version), the first A is more round and a bit lower. The second A is higher and more straight.
I think someone tampered with it.
It doesn't seem to me that you are going to issue/print a stamp or block with all different letters/fonts.

Also the edge of the red version is weird, it's a kind of white edge (seems 3D) compared to the photo of the black one (isn't always reliable either, I could be wrong)
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It's certainly not an ink swap. It's a completely different stamp. The font in the black, known version is neat (the 2 N letters look the same). They are different in the red version.
In any case, the C is shaped completely differently. And the red letters are not all the same height or width.


The possibility that some creative person might have painted it on by hand...
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I think so too, but definitely? No...hence the forum. Maybe someone knows more about it. I'm not going to just relegate something to 'Fantasyland' or the area with the addition of ' - Illegal releases'. There must be reasonable certainty.
I use several sources for this, including this one mentioned by Esquerdo, from John Lowe.
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There is no visible indication that the red print has been tampered with. The source is known for its many variants - with or without the client's consent - and for its inadequate archives. It looks like the red print exists. The question then is what its status is.
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I don't think this one with red print exists.
Here is the original 1977 overprint of a 1976 block.
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Yes, I know many cowboy stories from that man. He bought, among other things, an uninhabited island so that he could make a stamp for it.
It is responsible for tens of thousands of illegal issues worldwide, and has not become poorer for it. Well infamous.
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The key words for each issue and series should be simple, practical and clear.

I completely agree with that. Unfortunately, there are now many different interpretations of 'issue' that are neither simple nor practical and the opposite of clear.
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Format International Security Printers!

https://golowesstamps.com/reference/formatprinters/FormatInternationalSecurityPrinters.htm

Opinions about this printing company are strongly divided. There is a connection there with Clive Feigenbaum who does not exactly have a clean image.
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#9961129

I find such a block in a paper catalogue, Michel 16, but in a series with 'schwarzen auf silberen Bdr.-Audruck'.
The print here is clearly red on silver...
I cannot find any reference to a possible earlier or later print in a different color. My catalog of Central Africa is almost 10 years old.
Anyone have an idea what's going on here?

Possibly a local industrious person was creative...
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The issue field includes everything issued on that date, i.e. self-adhesive or gummed or FDC or combination from a booklet.
Your basic definition includes 2 things that still need to be refined (correct wording can be further determined on the forum):
- everything issued on that date "and which forms 1 logical whole or theme", postal administrations have the habit of issuing multiple issues on the same day
- Country and Issue are independent of each other (and filterable), so it is possible that the 1984 WWF Issue is on a different date in each country (for information: the old notation with which the country is included in the issue name is slowly being replaced by administrators deleted).
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Esquerdo 
The images of these GB stamps were indeed used from 1914 to 1969. To make it one series would turn out to be a hornet's nest for every collector, partly because the watermarks and colors change regularly, nor are all values reissued.
Proponents of the "basic stamp" in 1914 to measure so-called varieties issued until 1969 are unaware of what they would start with.
The key words for each issue and series should be simple, practical and clear. 
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Valid comments in themselves. I divide them that way too. The question is whether something is so logical. Or is that the doctrine of the catalog editors?

The reason that these stamps were issued on different dates is that they are not new stamps at all. The abdication of Edward VIII brought his brother George VI to the throne. As a result, a new watermark was introduced. For the GPO, this was not a new issue at all, but simply a continuation of the production of 1914 stamps on paper with a watermark symbolizing the monarch of the time. Perhaps this is not an issue at all, but a variety.

Collectors like to call these stamps postage stamps. The inscription also suggests this. However, they had two uses: as a postage stamp and as an excise stamp. The values above 1/- were mainly intended as excise stamps. That is also why the inscription on the 2/6 is 'TO PAY' and not 'POSTAGE DUE'. Maybe this is at least two issues.

In 1951, the GPO had to change the colors of stamps for international mail - for which these stamps were not intended - to comply with UPU rules. The colors of these stamps were also replaced. This also meant that some other values had to be given a different color to avoid confusion. The 2d, 5d and 2/6 kept their suits. Perhaps those three stamps belong in two issues. Perhaps all stamps belong in one issue.

A number of these stamps were overprinted 'SOUTHERN RHODESIA' for use there. This was a mix of the two color schemes, as some values were not yet available in the new color. However, both colors of the 4d stamp were provided with the overprint. Perhaps the stamps should be divided into issues in the same way as the non-overprinted stamps.

Are there any guidelines for logic? Or is it logical that you are not used to anything else, because it has always been that way in a used paper catalog without anyone ever having to explain why that was the case?
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Helv 
You wrote to me:
 If you make the classification you are now proposing, it would be contrary to the current guideline to add the 40 f stamp to the 1968 issue. 
You will now realize that your guideline is a ghost guideline that I personally have never seen.
And when you refer to guidelines, there should be a place somewhere where we can view all the guidelines together.
Another example where issue and series should match one way or another (or not?)
British stamps with watermark G VI R (sideways):
1937.09: 4d grey-green
1937.10: 1s deep blue
1937.12: 3d violet
1938.05: 1 / 2d emerald green
1938.05: 1d carmine
1938.05: 2d agate
1938.09: 2d6 purple / yellow
1938.11: 5d yellow-brown
Either you put them together per issue date (1-1-1-3-1-1) or together 8 issues (and therefore also 8 series).
Either you put them together per year or together 2 issues (and therefore two series).
Either you put them together in one series of 8 stamps with issue name 1937 Port stamps.
In this case, the latter makes the most sense to me.
And that's how it is in the GB numbers catalog. LD #649537, #649539, #649541, #649543, #649545, #649547, #649549, #649551, and #649553.
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Helv I would go for the pragmatic solution and not be limited by the design of a database. Whatever benefits/conveniences most people the most should/could be the choice. You can't make everyone happy. The nature of some animals simply does not allow that.
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Raoul62 I was not writing about LD , it was just a general talk on how some collectors have different opinions about space filler and illegal reprint not to tell at all to have them on LD. 

To know about them , as you state before about warning collectors on them is useful like to say under Bergerdorf or Heligoland that there are more reprints and forgeries than real ones and that real  stamped ones are very scarce and that most stamped are forgeries. Put that under a country presentation is not against LD rule 1.2.

We are here to share knowledge and learn too. 
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Esquerdo Sorry I am a very old school philatelist that was trained to understand rates first and their usage. Moreover the definition of series in French philately is not universal at all.

I know nothing about stamps after 1940 and modern stamps are not for me I am afraid so my definition is  certainly not the best to find an easy solution, certainly Raoul62 and you or Charles1971 should find better solution than an old school philatelist.

I prefer to say that for that subject I feel out of game.
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