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October 17, 2020 16:12

I still have trouble with input and choosing series and series. Example see:

https://www.lastdodo.nl/catalogus/boeken/series-held-in/4829847-the-sisters-grimm

In the explanation series to be used, I conclude that a book series can generally contain titles of several authors. Then there is also a position to state the number of that series (if known, not all series have been numbered)

By series I mean more names of "heroes". In this case the series is called The Sisters Grimm, then I have to enter it as Sisters Grimm, The (which seems very crooked, the word The is an article but really connected to the hero name)

Now I can't enter a number, so I just put the number at "series".

Maybe someone can make it clear to me.

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October 17, 2020 16:20

I think you say it all right above.

Articles in Series are indeed always followed, so that the heroes are listed alphabetically.

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October 17, 2020 16:46

Arco, I still chose The Sisters Grimm and not Sisters Grimm, The, Alphabetically that should be right. In other words, if I look for a title from the series The Sisters Grimm, I type in The Sisters Grimm and not Sisters Grimm. That would be different if the series is called: The adventures of Swiebertje, then I enter Swiebertje as the series name. Swiebertje, for example, has been published in various (I already have difficulty with the choice name series or series) series (or series?). How can you if you choose series that neatly group again. Only then do you use series to distinguish and number them?

I don't think it's that simple ......, that probably depends on my way of thinking.

If you prefer me to change Grimm series name, no problem.

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October 17, 2020 17:36

Not necessary. I changed them in one go.

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October 17, 2020 17:56

Arco, you are brilliant. I am going to experience that in a system you devised I can enter 50 books in one go without errors.

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October 17, 2020 18:10

And by the way: yes, within Swiebertje there will probably be separate books, but also series.

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October 17, 2020 18:17

Did I forget: In case there are different author or illustrators with exactly the same first and last name, how can you differentiate that? I have now chosen with [short name series] Because there was another Michael Buckley (a travelogue book). It may be that there are more of these examples and are now under 1 person while there is not.

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October 17, 2020 18:19

We do that with a logical [tag].

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October 17, 2020 19:27

Idem, but reversed, for books with the same original title (from different authors). Or a Hero with the same name.

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October 18, 2020 14:16

For authors we choose to add the year of birth and / or death:

Michael Buckley (1969) and Michael Buckley (1950)

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October 18, 2020 15:27

Jilles I took a look, I already saw another example "Erwin Kroll". If importers are already aware that there are 2 "names of the same name", the question is whether this rule is known and easier (no research work) is method "Arco". Suppose there are already 2 names that are also easier to recognize. Suppose someone else is entering the other parts of Grimm and sees the same name (Michael Buckley [Grimm] and who recognizes a year ???

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October 18, 2020 15:41

Not all authors with the same name have recognizable series that you could apply. I admit that not every importer knows that there are sometimes several writers circulating with the same name.

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October 18, 2020 16:02

A year is indeed always the last resort, as far as I'm concerned.

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October 18, 2020 17:04

Changing to a year, okay if that's the rule, fine. But why also remove Grimm now? 2 chances to choose the right author is better than 1. Experienced importers choose a copy for adding a part in series, but if one does not make use of that, it is choosing from names and then with the same names with a year. definitely a gamble. Look, you are busy with points for improvement, I cannot let it go like that. Unless you like it in the margin,

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October 18, 2020 17:48

Dear Harry,

Michael Buckley (1969) has written more than the series The Grimm sisters, e.g. N.E.D.R.S., Untertow and a few more separate books. At least a year is unambiguous, or did you want to tag all those series? The other Buckley wrote travel books mainly, but not only, for Lonely Planet, also a tag?

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October 18, 2020 18:22

Enigma, Arco, Jilles: I'm thinking of 3 options of response:

a) stop responding;

b) I accept it;

c) just a little more: only a year added to a name is a meaningless and confusing thing, unless an entry is a fact that has been explained. I'm just saying that 1 name of a well-known series adds a little more. I'm not saying at all that I want to give all kinds of tags, how do you get that ??? . And at first that [Grimm] was good, then it became a year and now I have to drop out.

a) I'm not ordinary

b) is possible but is a bit weak eh

then c is what I think and is logical, but then I am a Don Quixote (nice story by the way) for a silly thing.

I may let you know.

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October 18, 2020 18:52

As I said: year is the last resort as soon as no logical other tag can be thought of.

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October 19, 2020 17:43

What could help is filling the background pages of the respective authors.

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October 20, 2020 09:39

Jilles is right: stating the year of birth (and / or death) is the usual solution. However, sometimes the year of birth of an author cannot be found. In that case, a division into numbers (I and II) is a solution, or a country code, if the authors come from different countries (for example United Kingdom [GBR] and the United States [USA]).

@Harry:

I know you as a very enthusiastic user. It's a credit to you that you take the catalog so seriously. But I think you should realize that the catalog is open source and therefore imperfect by definition. In your case, I would reconsider option b. Sometimes it is necessary to resign yourself to something and in my opinion not that weak at all.

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