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For a number of countries I have written a background page with further information about, for example, types of expenditure, and how you can distinguish them. For many collectors this can be a tool to gain insight into the matter.
My question now is: are these background pages read, or could they just as well be abolished?
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Dick I have read them from your hand at least from my collection areas but also from other Commonwealth areas.
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My question now is: are these background pages read, or could they just as well be eliminated?

They are appreciated and are certainly a valuable addition to the catalog.
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I also made quite a few, but since the new layout was introduced they have become almost impossible to find.
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In the general sections and under the countries it is immediately visible.
For further explanations, if there is no direct link, ignore it (nmm therefore no added value at the moment).
Is among other things probably one of the reasons that the administrators take a lot of work.


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For further explanations, if there is no direct link, ignore it (nmm therefore no added value at the moment).

Every explanation / information has added value. Hopefully there will be many more background pages, in all sections.
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Those who maintain a country collection of Postage Stamps usually start with some text, an image (of the flag, for example), a photo, a postcard, a coin, a telephone card, a banknote, ...
The background pages are neat that little bit more. It is one of the things that makes LD slightly different from just a data market with data from stamps in it.
For the other sections, I suspect that a collector in heart and soul also scrapes together some background, and bundles it with the collection

Actually, those background pages should rather be expanded. Now it can contain text (with primary formatting) and one image.
One more standard (structured and checked) field would already make a difference: link to the description of the area on wikipedia, or to another background information text. A link that is manageable (with an overview for an administrator / documentalist: no link yet / already with a link, and an automatic check on a regular basis for dead links, with signal if necessary).
Linking in the text itself would I don't allow it. Then you never know what will be included there, and whether after some time the expiration date of such a link has been exceeded.

A background text for a section would also look good. For Stamps, for example, there could be the link to the UPU check database. With the explanation. The link to the 'manual' of the relevant section (how many% of the users have ever used the 'add' button ... and only then does a link to the manual become available ...).
Or a link to a simple course / basic philately. It would help, for a few ... or, who knows, for a youthful companion on LD who is still bitten by the collecting bug. I think the average age of the participants on LD (of the group of collectors in general) is increasing every year ... is something being done about it? Are there initiatives? Are opportunities offered to reverse this trend? Or is the standstill (standing still = going backwards) suffering?

Perhaps there is someone at LD that is familiar with the position of documentation manager, or secretary-level board of a large company? There are several domains on LD where such a person could make himself useful (and relieve others). Version management of the manuals / books. Background information notes countries / regions: separate from the sections (general) and specific to a section.
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@ Raoul62 You can put as many images as you want on the background page. See, for example, the info at Vivo .
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I don't believe it's a matter of “not being useful”. I have also written several background pages myself. But the problem that comic pins are referring to is that they are currently virtually untraceable, in the past there was a blue dot with an "i" on everything that had extra information about it. Coincidentally checked a background page this week that I wrote myself, so I also knew which field to click to bring it up, but you'll never find it otherwise. I've been doing this for a number of years now, but have never looked at, let alone read, a manual. But that's another problem, it is still too much trouble for many users to read the few lines of input instructions that come with each field, I have noticed. That does not matter, and you will never change that, but indicating that extra information is available on a certain subject does help. If you hide that, you can be sure that no one will read it anymore.
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Yes stripspeldjes, as long as they are available somewhere on the Internet (link). ). Then only one can be on.
As I wrote:
I would not allow linking in the text itself. Then you never know what will be included there, and whether the expiration date of such a link has passed over time.
Not even referring to an LD item, because even that 'address' is never a certainty that will survive time.

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as long as they are available somewhere on the Internet (link).
No, you misunderstood that. You can upload 1 image directly, which will then appear as a kind of "avatar" at the top of the text. But you can put an endless amount of images in the text frame. These may not be links to other sites, the images must be on LD. In the example I gave I uploaded two ads as images to any item in my own collection and then placed them in the background page.

By the way, I also don't see the problem with links in the text to other sites or to items or areas in LD. Indeed, such a link can be outdated at some point, but the only result is that the link no longer works, and you can simply change that again. Other than that, I see nothing but benefits of cross-referencing (which includes linking items to other collection areas, which can just as easily change over time).
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7451Dick

Votre question n'est pas digne d'un administrateur et n'aurait pas dû être posée de telle manière.

Vous savez très bien que les pages d'arrière-plan ne sont accessibles qu'aux utilisateurs employant le site néerlandais.
La plupart de ceux qui sont habitués à leur site en français, en anglais ou en allemand ne savent même pas qu'il existe des textes d'arrière-plan et de plus, à quelques exceptions près, ces textes sont presqu'exclusivement rédigés en néerlandais!

Le site est à cet égard loin d'être un site international.

Les utilisateurs ne parlant pas le néerlandais méritent à mon avis un peu plus de respect.

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Your question is not worthy of an administrator and should not have been asked in such a way.

You know very well that the background pages are only accessible to users of the Dutch site.
Most people who are used to their site in French, English or German do not even know that there are background texts and, with a few exceptions, these texts are almost exclusively written in Dutch!

The site is far from being an international site in this respect.

In my opinion, users who do not speak Dutch deserve a little more respect.
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My tailor is rich, but the translation doesn't really help either ;-)

(PS Originally it only contained the French text, which was “recognized” by the system as English, which is a gibberish- translation.)
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It is unnecessary to address an moderator in this way here. Please respond to messages with substance and not to the person.
Users of the NL site know the background pages and if they never see the other language versions, they do not know that there are no background pages there.
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But the problem that comic pins are referring to is that they are currently virtually untraceable, in the past there was a blue dot with an "i" on everything that had extra information about it.
I also think it's a loss. The blue i for info was very useful with records and CDs, for example with compilation CDs. You then had blue i's in the list of guest artists so that you could quickly consult the background page. As far as I am concerned: restore.
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But the problem that comic pins are referring to is that they are currently almost impossible to find, in the past there was a blue dot with an "i" for everything that had extra information about it.

We had indeed deliberately not included that in the new layout because we felt that the function of the icon was not very clear and it was not a very essential function. But apparently there is a need for it. Then we have to add it again I think and then with a mouse-over text or something like that. clarify.
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Collectioneur 

My reaction wasn’t meant to respond to one moderator in particular, because of course all moderators know that background pages are made only for Dutch-language users. The one moderator in particular unfortunately didn’t realize himself that his question in fact only reached those Dutch-language users.

The gist of my observation was that for years the non-Dutch speaking users were poorly treated.

Happily it changed somewhat recently by translating at last the stamps manual and by opening the forum for English-language users.

Still in an ackward way given that French- and German-language people just can read an English version on the forum. As a matter of fact you have to be fairly acquainted with the English language in order to respond or write a message in that same language: it isn’t easy at all.

I therefore assumed that your reaction would contain some prospects and solutions coming from Lastdodo in order to deal likewise with all users, preferably as quick as possible.
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 Still in an ackward way given that French- and German-language people just can read an English version on the forum. As a matter of fact you have to be fairly acquainted with the English language in order to respond or write a message in that same language: it isn’t easy at all. 

With users from all over the world, it is not feasible for us to translate the international forum into all world languages.
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Every explanation / information has added value. Hopefully there will be many more background pages, in all sections.
I fully agree with this. However, there used to be a problem. For example, if you added a background page to a series / series / issue at country A, e.g. 1970 Vogels, then this background information would also appear at country B, C, D etc. if that country had a series / series / issue with the same name . Has that problem been solved? I get the impression it does.
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Is that problem solved? I get the impression that it is.

I was not aware of this problem, so I cannot say if it has been resolved.
Does anyone have examples of this problem or is it not occurring again?
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I don't have an example of such a background page, but since there are still Series (now Issues) that contain different countries, this problem must still exist. I hadn't realized this before.
If you select a Series/Issue from within a stamp, you will see a selection of the relevant country, but the background information is of course available for all items in the Series/Issue.

This can only be solved by making all Series/Issue names unique per country.
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Example found: https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/ 565329-1975-queen-elizabeth-ii

The background information appears to even refer to completely different stamps, because the Series was once changed for the items mentioned.
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Clearly the background page is linked to the (issue / series / series *) name "1975 queen elisabeth ii", while the intention was to link it to the country "Great Britain". Perhaps this background information was better linked to the person Machin, Arnold.
You will automatically get that dilemma if you try to combine year, direct object and performer.
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Remarkable that you have found an example that shows that the problem has not yet been solved. Well found. I had looked at the 1970 Birds issue myself. It occurs in many countries: Poland, South Vietnam, New Caledonia, Norfolk, Montserrat and Saint Vincent (and more). In the past, if you clicked on the 1970 birds issue in the country of Poland, you would also automatically see the stamps of all other countries with a 1970 birds issue .. That was no longer the case. Just the seals of one country. Hence, I thought the problem was resolved.


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if you have written them, there is little point in removing them later
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