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Colleagues collector, may I ask that when entering the data of a beer label, only enter the data as they can be found on the label. As mentioned, sometimes 33 cl is added/changed if the label says 0.33 L or 330 ml. Thank you very much !
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According to the previous description, the rule is in cl: 'The American beers in particular are often in ml and the English beers in fluid ounces. These beers are also listed in cl' in connection with the selection criteria.
The L only applied for the large sizes (0.5 L and 1 L). Furthermore, translate everything to cl.
It seems logical to me to continue to enforce those rules for unambiguity in the system.
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As a collector there is a clear distinction between L, cl, ml... so do not convert to cl in the description. Just state what it says on the label. I know of labels that say 33 cl and 330 ml for the American market. For the collector these are 2 different labels. If one were to translate this to 33 cl, one would not find the label for America in the search function content "330 ml".
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I see your point (in fact I agree with you). But what concerns me is that it is not convenient if a different system of input is always assumed. Then once in a while everything would have to be adjusted again. In fact, in the past I have adapted a number of items to the input in CL as it should be at that time.
Request to the manager to create clarity and to record those clear and clear rules somewhere forever.
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April 29, 2022 21:47
The need for an exact description of the contents measures as described on the label is clear. This can certainly be implemented. I would like to see a space between the numbers and letters. There is no dot after cl or ml and the letter L is used for quantities in liters. For multiple sizes on the same label, I suggest an indent with a space before and after it, so 33 cl - 50 cl

Over time, old data will be adjusted to this revised notation. The previous version of "house rules" dates from August 2017, so progressive insight is certainly in order.

If this is further clear, I will adjust the "house rules" accordingly and publish them again.

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April 29, 2022 22:05
 If this is further clear I will adjust the "house rules" accordingly and republish.

Preferably in the form of a Handbook, based on the Basic Handbook.
Help texts for the various input fields can also be clarifying.
I can adjust them immediately.
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I can change that immediately.

That would be nice.
I will start working on the handbook.
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What is the rule for a brewery that has changed its name. For example, the beers of De Tesselse Bierbrouwerij will be transferred to the Texel beer brewery, due to a name change. But that is difficult for those who do not know this and are looking for Tesselse. Isn't it logical either to use the name on the label (Tesselse) and then possibly state that it later became Texels, or to enter both names under brewery?
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July 27, 2022 18:26
AJFM If all goes well, an administrator has created an alias and you can search for both.
Now items from both are in the catalog and that can't be the intention?
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Hi Jummeke, thank you for the reply.
The alias can work, I see, for example, with books and comics. But I have the feeling that many different spellings have been introduced for beer labels (and coasters) and that you don't get a picture very quickly. And when I search for Tesselse I certainly do not end up at Texelse . And so I miss the labels on Tesselse that have been introduced under the 'new name' Texel beer brewery.
Perhaps there should be more information about name changes in the details. Because how do you know that Katjelam from Nijmegen was later called Nevel Artisan Ales . Anyway, I'll mention it there.

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AJFM I'll give you info on how the catalog is set up, but I have nothing to do with the "beers".
I do see that the breweries have 1x Tessel and 3x Texel. The exact rules must be provided by the administrator of this section, but most of the time it is grouped and the "inherit exact spelling" rarely applies.
It is also not the intention to fill the details of each item with the same info. That's actually where comments and properties of the item belong that don't fit in any other field (eg there are 2 versions with a very small difference).
If you know a lot of explanation, are a specialist in a certain domain or want to write some history, you first go to the page of the brewery and there you have a link "Add background info" at the top. This is actually an explanation that is valid for all items.
But as mentioned, an administrator has to answer this.
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Can this perhaps be arranged via the management module via the 'Name variations' box?
No idea whether this is possible in the Beer Labels section for the Brewery sub-area.
This is already possible with sub-area 'Countries/territories' in the Stamps section. With those variations, a user can get everything on the screen via the top search box.
Slightly less useful than an alias, but less limited: you can add multiple name variations. Without taxing the Breweries list.


Just an idea.
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It can be done with any indexed collection area, so also here . But only admins of the rubric can edit it, so you'll need to be at Ewald63 at this point.

Incidentally, in this case I would argue in favor of including Tesselse and Texelse as Alias of each other.
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In the event that perhaps Ewald63 is on vacation, I have added the alias "Tesselse" to " Texelse Bierbr., Oudeschild ". Ewald can later decide for himself whether this is correct or whether it should be done differently.
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thanks.
A small suggestion. Bierbr must be stated in full according to the manual, so beer brewery. That will also have to be adapted everywhere.
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That name was written like that, but I have now adapted them all according to the Handbook :-)
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I don't want to whine, but the Alias should actually be "De Tesselse Bierbrouwerij, Oudeschild". That was the name of the company before the turn of the century.
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Collectioneur Thank you for seeing the honours. Was indeed on vacation and picked up the thread again today.
The alias seems fine to me. The current name is " Texelse Bierbrouwerij, Oudeschild ". So this is rightly the first to be reported. I will, however, create a background page at the brewery.
user-1713548 Thanks for the tip.

AJFM PS: I didn't know before that the Texel Beer Brewery used to have a different name. Learned something again...
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