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another beginner question:
Just added the ISBN number to this item
https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/items/1371251-the-jewel-in-the-skull

But it's also clearly a comic and not a book... and I can't see how to change that... can someone do that for me?
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NB it could also be identical to this item
https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/items/2200213-the-jewel-in-the-skull

on the In the photos it is possible to see the correct ISBN number, but the dates state a different year and different ISBN number... so perhaps there is (also) something wrong with this entry... and both should be merged into one item under comics, with year 1979 and the ISBN number ending in 068...
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petcor80
First of all, LastDodo uses this # sign for the LastDodo number.
So #2200213 and #1371251 if you click on it now, you immediately have the item in front of you and you know which item it is.
Bee #2200213 if it concerns a first edition from 1978, is also clearly stated.
Bee #1371251 if it concerns a reprint from 1979, is also included.
Now you have #1371251 added an ISBN number, are you sure this is correct, I myself would be a bit careful with something like that if people aren't sure.
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thanks for the tip!
I have the book here in my hands... but of course I can never be completely sure
So it was noticeable that on the pictures with the album that is mentioned in "comics" the ISBN number is different from the number that is mentioned in the data. The number on those photos is identical to the version I have in my hands and when I open it and look at the colophon it says:

first published in 1979 by Savoy Books
for Big O Publishing Ltd.

The Jewel in the Skull copyright 1967 Michael Moorcock
This adaptation copyright 1979 James Cawthorn

From which I must conclude that it is a first edition, with the date 1979
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Now looking closely, I have also seen that at #2200213 on the on the back there is a different ISBN number, that it has to be filled in, so I think something is wrong here, maybe the year 1978 is wrong, maybe it must be 1979
Then #2200213 a Duplication of  #1371251 but I'm not sure, maybe something for administrators.
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then we come to the same conclusion

is starting a topic like I did now the way to bring it to the attention of administrators, or does that require another communication route?
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If this item is a comic book, then #1371251 is a Duplication of #2200213.

petcor80
Users cannot transfer item to another column. Also read the Frequently asked questions, subject Catalogue.
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I have seen that #1371251 has been transferred to Books.
That's right, because this is the first part of a series of four (The History of the Runestaff)
Now according to the information of petcor80 this is not a reprint but a first edition, (First published in 1979 by Savoy Books)
Now you just have to #2200213 be merged and deleted.


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Collectioneur : duplication > interest conclusion? > question : because check digit is incorrect ( 9) (mgl. typo ) ?
(from learning point: gaining experience)
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Lyonesse 
It is a comic adaptation of that first book (text and drawing by Cawthorn) of that first book from that series, isn't that something different from a novel? Unless the other parts have been published as novels under that Big O name (but I haven't seen that yet) and the series should therefore fall under books.
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Savoy themselves mention 78 as the date on their website, but in the book it is 79...
https://www.savoy.abel.co.uk/HTML/jewel.html
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Lyonesse petcor80 after some research The History of the Runestaff :  1 book  (bundle) with 4 stories (536 pg. approx.) 1979 ; individual issues 1967/68/68/69  which  also have been released as  comics  (also found under Hawkmoon ca 1987 ),
interest link  (ext)?  (oldie 2011)

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petcor80
I also can't say exactly whether it comes under comics or under books.
I also read somewhere that it was also printed in 1978, but something went wrong with the printing there, so they re-released it in 1979.
I often see on the Internet that it is listed with books and that there are only 80 pages in the book, is this correct?
Product Key Features
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  • Fiction
  • Author
  • Michael Moorcock
  • Format
  • Paperback
  • language
  • English
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  • 1979
  • Genre
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The first edition from 1978 has been destroyed, however
copies of the 1978 edition continue to turn up in the secondary market.

But I don't think anyone entered that misprint, otherwise the list price would be a bit higher.
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You have books > 4 ; then you have the 'graphic novels' (drawn versions (orig. b/w; reprints also in color)) where it is generally said that it is a comic strip, although 'others' again see/make a difference between comic strip and graphic novel.
The best description for type/category seems to me > Strips/Beeldroman. in meaning of a drawn version of 1 (complete; based on) story. Idea good?
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I was away for a while this afternoon and tonight, so sorry for the late follow-up response. And it's nice that you think so. I am clearly not an expert in this field (yet)...

To the question about the number of pages. They are not numbered so I had to count by hand:
there are 40 sheets in them the book
the first sheet contains the title on one side and a colophon on the other
the 2nd sheet starts with a title page / credits
the comic strip starts on the 2nd side of the 2nd sheet and contains 70 pages
then comes an interview with the author with many illustrations spread over 6 pages
the last page of the last page is blank
... i think you can think of that as a book of 80 pages should count ...

I also quickly shot some extra pictures that might give a good impression
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what I think is wrong with item #1371251
- author is cawthorn instead of moorcock (who did write the original work of which this is an adaptation)
- pages is 80 instead of 156
- measurements: I measure 23.6 by 31.4

what I think is wrong with item # 2200213
- the series states USA, while this is a UK edition and both Moorcock and Cawthorn are British
- 1979 instead of 1978
- ISBN number ends with 8 instead of 9
- dimensions also subtle differences with what I have in my hands
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Bee #1371251 I think you're pretty good, only I'd say because the 1978 issue has been destroyed, it's the First Edition.
And with #2200213 I would say this should just be removed.
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I only give the info of what I have in my hands, I leave the final decision(s) to the database administrator(s) :)
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If #2200213 must be removed #1371251 will be transferred to Comics, as it is more like a cartoon (graphic novel) than an illustrated book.

I don't know the book, but is Hawkmoon the series name or the series/hero?
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I haven't read it yet :)
But Hawkmoon seems like a character/hero (see also the last photo in my post from 9:45 pm... and the text in the pink banner on the front of the (indeed) comic
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As for the thickness: I think the item was copied from at the time #242247 or #215333 , both pockets with 156 pages.
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Tricky Boekenmagazijn : Hawkmoon (Dorian) is the main character ; but that's where it gets hard.
With the books (org) the name is not on the cover. Not even with the 3 successors (= series of 4+3).
Long story short: publishers bet on reprints? : change the covers/title?
If you look deeper, it's a mess again .. what's what .. So probably the drawn versions are based on the reprint editions where Hawkmoon is 'promoted' as a name.
1 thing is clear : Moorcock. > (ha idea.. : Moorcock [books] Moorcock[graphics] ).

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