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Although LastDodo prides itself on the fact that according to the AVB catalog this can be seen on the site, it strikes me that both the names of the series and the texts on the mirrors or wings of the tapes are provided with texts that are not in can be found in the AVB catalogue. If it is then referred to by mentioning it to the administrator(s), nothing will be done with it and the different text or name will still be used. More and more people are deviating from the guideline provided by the AVB.
What is even more striking is the poor quality of the images of many imported tires. A bad photo with a wooden background or something similar is becoming more and more common. Does the manual no longer exist?
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August 15, 2022 12:35
A bad photo with a wooden background or something like that

Do you mean the tape that was added on August 15, 2022 at 10:15 am (an hour and a half before your post)?
Administrators are volunteers, who also have other activities (full time job, family, vacation) and are not machines (sometimes sleep, sometimes get sick, ...).

On a wiki, even if you are not an administrator, you can perfectly see who has added what. You can always contact an adder yourself and kindly point out the existence of the manual, and the agreements regarding images.
Usually works well with new users, where everything seems a bit much at first. Not everyone is born with all the knowledge and skills to add to LD. This is usually learned along the way.
So there will always be something that is not (yet) in accordance with the agreements.
LD is there for and by collectors.
Actually, every experienced and responsible user is also a bit of an administrator . That's how it works best.

It is quite possible that an administrator has already sent a message, asking to create the image as agreed. The adder (collector) is not waiting for that 14/7 either, he can also get some time, right? Giving the user a chance to correct mistakes made unconsciously is the best learning method/education.
Just as well, an experienced and responsible user who makes a mistake can also correct it properly. Every little bit helps.


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In the meantime I have sent the user a message, in French, with the request to scan on white background, with addition of a 2nd image (verso).
Other than that I can't do much, because I can't find a manual for cigar bands ... I can't refer to it (or check what the usual conventions are).
With that knowledge it seems more normal to me for someone to add new items in such a way. Not everyone is born with the knowledge of LD in them...
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Although LastDodo prides itself on the fact that according to the AVB catalog this can be seen on the site
I just thought LastDodo prided itself on being independent of all other catalogs?!
Maybe admin Martinel can say more about it.
I don't collect cigar bands and I don't know the AVB, but isn't it conceivable that the way LD reports the information is an improvement ?

a wooden background or something like that
Cigar box? Would be appropriate ;-)
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Here's what the manual says about it:

Changes that are always allowed:
• Complement existing images
• Replace existing images with higher quality images, or from a
copy of the item in better condition.
• Fill in fields that are (still) empty
• Correct incorrect information

Note: Images, empty fields and the field details can always be changed. But already
filled-in fields can sometimes not be changed directly. This is the case when administrators remove the item
have 'frozen'. If you believe that a blocked field contains incorrect or incomplete information, please contact the administrators of the relevant section. They can remove the blockade on the field, or possibly make the relevant change themselves.

So much for the manual. But to convince the administrator that the info listed is incorrect is another chapter. Are VERY difficult to convince of the incorrect information and therefore do not change the indicated inaccuracies. Very discouraging.

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My knowledge of bands is not that extensive, and mainly based on what Frejo taught me a few years ago. I started modestly 4 to 5 years ago with bands next to my stamps. Nice in the initial phase (grew very fast) but in the meantime due to lack of time (how could that be) I will not continue with it (for the time being?).

This is slippery ice for me. It was mainly about the feeling I got when reading the post. May not have been intended that way, but it felt a bit like clattering of weapons. And that alone will not get us ahead .
At Stamps we have a number of old dutiful faithful, who check a lot and who do the necessary. Without such motivated users, there is nothing to do because of the exponential growth in that section.
Any collector in whichever section he or she has more knowledge of can perfectly use the knowledge and experience to contribute. Not only with items, also with guiding new blood.

With the internationalization, I think that bands have also started to grow a lot. In addition to the Netherlands and Belgium, there are countries where collecting cigar bands still reigns supreme, where it is, as it were, a science. And not just in Spain.
The bands that are collected in those countries are often from other brands and manufacturers, which are less common in our countries.
In other words, there is still a lot of work to be done. Helping hands, silent workers, will be much needed .

What I know about the images on LD in the tapes section I'm pretty sure of. Just ... I can't find anything (not even on the forum) that I can fall back on (that I can reference, where a user can find out).
And the images are the most important part to start with in this section. Without an image ... and above all: adjusting or replacing images yourself: that takes some time.

Perhaps a first, limited, impetus should be given for a handbook for cigar bands , in which that important point is described. Where the (binding) agreement is located. The first (limited) manual may consist of:

1. Basic manual
(with a link to the basic manual which now takes the place of the cigar bands manual due to the unavailability of a specific manual)

2. The images
- White background;
- scans only (no photos);
- well cut out (no unnecessary edges);
- 2nd image of the back, even if there is nothing on it.
If you do not comply with this agreement: items will be deleted.

3. under construction
More information about the other fields will follow later.

You don't lose anything with this (there is still a link to the basic manual, which should actually be provided in every specific manual ...). Just profit .
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It's certainly not a clatter on my part, more a kind of frustration that a well-meaning and well-informed collector, who is snooping through the catalogs every day, is treated as an annoying person (You got him again, that know-it-all). There's no harm in taking someone seriously.
Being printed in the s..... instead of a thank you is not everything. Most of the information I suggest for improvement comes directly from the AVB catalogues.
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sigarenbandje
From the texts I use, I don't get the impression that anyone is printed in the s_&'*#, so please don't use this language.
And thank you? I've already made over 19000 changes but never received a thank you, I can't wait for it actually, because it's a wiki...
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Many points are mentioned here in 1x.

  • AVB series catalog (and other part catalogues): are a very important guideline, but it has never been agreed to adopt the exact series description and/or to implement the sequence of the series. The latter is done if a number of the series is provided on the bindings (such as Willem II or Washington). When the catalog was launched in 2011, the AVB was contacted and they were not immediately interested in the project. The last series catalog of the AVB dates from 2013. There will also no longer be an update.

  • Photos/scans: both are allowed. Objectively speaking, photos of tires on a dark background usually give a better/sharper/more legible result. Not everyone has a decent scanning device. Especially with novice Lastdodo'ers with interesting material I have a lot of patience with this. I personally like the fact that the galleries look a little less neat (temporarily or not).

  • 2nd image: is not (for the time being) still required. The reason for this was/is that many older collections are glued in.

I don't understand why you feel sigarenbandje as a know-it-all.

  • Your penultimate personal message 25/7 concerned Rubens' series of Tobacco and snuff boxes. Numbers 1-24 with black wings are said to be ghost items, created by a color shift from dark green to black when scanned. As a result of your comment, a number of collectors have been contacted who would have the series in their collection. No one turned out to actually possess it and the black wings have been cleaned up. So you appear to be right and correct.

  • Your last personal message from yesterday. Concerned the series of Parcival without brand. You had created a brand Parcival (without brand) for 14 items. I reversed this late last night. For series without a brand name, if they can be assigned to a particular brand, the brand is mentioned (Parcival) and is placed after the series name (without brand). This has been done for 11 years now.
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is there a software program and not as difficult as adobe where you can easily replace the background with a nice white background?
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