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'Correct. We assume that most people in this category can get their VAT back because they are active in business.'

'We assume.' Clearly research has been done among the users.
Yes, I am indeed active in business, but not as a bookseller.
And those who sell second-hand items from their own collection do not have to report this to the tax authorities, as long as the turnover is less than 25,000.
Then the whole VAT refund story makes no sense.
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I'm in doubt what to do now. From the beginning I am active via first catawiki and later lastdodo. Currently more than 14,000 items have been added and more than 5,000 items have been improved.

I sell the books for the three charities that we as a book fair stand for. Half goes to the goals. Because it was free, many books have also been added for which there are not many collectors. This has resulted in a store of more than 20,000 items.

So suddenly money has to be paid for that. I find it very silly to say the least. If I had known a year ago that prices would be so high, I would not have invested so much in this bookstore. Certainly not in titles that don't run via Lastdodo anyway.

1 Of the main reasons is lastdodo not being visible via google. In the beginning as a catawiki collector's platform (so before the auction), this was the case. This has changed since July/August 2017. After that you will no longer see lastdodo when you are looking for a title (unless you have the title open in an explorer). This was immediately noticeable because sales from the bookshop were immediately reduced by more than 50%.

The fact that the site cannot be seen via Google also leads to a clear reduction in revenue. For example, I myself had the title “the world is going under in industry” in about 10 variations in the webshop. Amounts between 75 cents and 1.50. They were not sold for years until I saw someone on the Boekwinkeltjes.nl site who was looking for the book. Placed the book there and eventually managed to sell the last one for 12.50. And all that within 3 weeks. So the webshop is interesting to sell via lastdodo…. Answer No!! Go to Boekwinkeltjes.nl and you will get more and faster value for money.

I would not like to leave lastdodo because I like the way of keeping track ed is a very good way. I am very behind this myself. I would like to take a subscription quietly, but then build up from now on. Everything I put on it now (so after December 1, 2022), that has to be paid for. What's on it is still free. That would be a nice gesture, especially for the shops/collectors who have invested in the catawiki/lastdodo catalogue.

Finally, I am afraid that all this will lead to the lastdodo site becoming even less active. When I say we have a bookstore on lastdodo, 95% of people look at me strangely. If I say that we are also on Boekwinkeltjes.nl, then 80% of that is a well-known site.
What I also want to say.... When a collector wants to keep track of his collection, it is useful that someone has already spent time creating a "map" of the item to be collected. As a salesman, I was responsible for ensuring that those cards were filled as best as possible. So I put/put time into that. I therefore think that collectors benefit from sellers who take the trouble to make a card.

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November 22, 2022 15:05
Rene. do you also send VAT invoices with a VIP Collector (annual) subscription?
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Why was it not decided to go in a direction with your own unique items where you can pick up your margins?
For example a LastDodo issue of a comic or book..
Coffee mugs, lighters and commemorative coins with LastDodo on them..

Honestly, I don't think this will cover the costs of programmers, design, web hosting and promotion of the platform Hagenees1978
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November 22, 2022 15:09
Furthermore, it is still up to me to determine which of my data is public.

That's right and that's why you can only convert your collection from private to public nlwbr0
So we don't.
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OK, but then I can no longer keep track of my collection.
The user can only add to such a collection again after making it public or purchasing a subscription.
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Then the whole VAT refund story makes no sense.

That logically only applies to business sellers. That is why the amount including 21% VAT is also included. Incidentally, that percentage can still differ if you are in a country other than the Netherlands or Belgium; that will be calculated based on your country at checkout. See also the mouse-over text for VAT and the question in the FAQ.
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'OK, but then I can't keep up with my collection anymore.'
So apparently that's what it comes down to. Until you pay.
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Completely agree with CEDERMAN. We don't make that much "profit" as a seller of stamps. For shops with a value of up to 30,000 euros, paying 725.00 euros per year alone to Lastdodo is just RIDICULOUS and way too much. I'm still above this amount and don't even know how much I should pay (I won't hear until tomorrow) but that will be even more. I can NEVER recoup this with selling through Lastdodo, so probably an expiring business as well. And otherwise drastically limiting the shop to make the far too high costs somewhat bearable. The cost of sales used to be a much fairer system. That was not abolished because people tried to get out of this, but was supposedly too expensive in administrative costs. At least that's what they told us at the time. The reasoning that most people in this category can get their VAT back also makes no sense since the Tax and Customs Administration has abolished the VAT obligation for small entrepreneurs. Don't assume there are many sellers on Lastdodo with a turnover of more than 20,000 euros and certainly not stamp sellers. Keep it up and Lastdodo will lose a lot of good sellers. First spent so much effort to offer everything on Lastdodo and now again hours and hours of work to throw everything off, just because of the PRIDEABILITY and UNREASONABLE rates.

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'Of course, that only applies to business sellers. That is why the amount including 21% VAT is also included. Incidentally, that percentage can still differ if you are in a country other than the Netherlands or Belgium; that will be calculated based on your country at checkout. See also the mouse-over text for VAT and the question in the FAQ.'

So then I don't have to pay VAT as a non-professional bookseller, I understand.
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So then I don't have to pay VAT as a non-professional bookseller, I understand.
Yes, as a private individual you always pay VAT.
Only professional sellers who pay sales tax can deduct the VAT as "input tax".

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'Of course, that only applies to business sellers. That is why the amount including 21% VAT is also included. Incidentally, that percentage can still differ if you are in a country other than the Netherlands or Belgium; that will be calculated based on your country at checkout. See also the mouse-over text for VAT and the question in the FAQ.'

So then I don't have to pay VAT as a non-professional bookseller, I understand.

I don't understand where you want to go, but you can only deduct VAT if you are a business user.
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nlwbr0 I don't want to scare you unnecessarily, but everyone has always been able to see what items you've added to the catalog.
That doesn't mean that someone can just find out who you are or where you live. Only sellers you bought something from will have your name and address.
If you really want to be anonymous you will have to stay off the internet altogether ;-)
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Rene,


> And what is considered sufficient commitment in terms of entries to not have to pay any or part of the subscription costs?

That depends not only on the number, but also on the quality of the input, etc. The administrators of the relevant section and the catalog managers can look at this together.

Shouldn't this have been looked at earlier, as people are now in limbo and have only a week left to pay?


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'Yes, as a private individual you always pay VAT'

Oh, of course. That's why they put it in the fine print so it doesn't seem so bad. I can deduct that VAT, I'll come up with a professional motivation for it. But for those not subject to VAT, it becomes even more unaffordable: € 36.24. Phew.



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VAT for entrepreneurs is free for turnover below €20,000, is KOR.
There is no VAT for individuals.
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As a collector a shop of 1000 €. Sold for 700 this year. That will be scaled down to collector. That's free with a shop of 300€. Well it's a pity but not the end of the world. I just see it this way, that I enjoyed a free collector and sales platform for 11 years. I also made good money from the shop to partly finance my collection.

paulcoret , Thank you for your kind comment. Perhaps there is another possibility to offer more in your shop, because with the VIP Collector subscription you can offer 3,000 euros in shop value for 7.95 per month (incl. VAT) instead of the 1,000 euros in value that you now offer. Then it can look even better.
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Why is there an 'obligation' to make your collection public????????? What is the benefit of that for LD?
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Unfortunately.... get a bit of the Qoop.nl feeling. Was also great until people started asking for money for it.
I think a reasonable solution is to just say 0-1000 € shop for free. And every 1000 € above that is a fixed amount per 1000 €. Or possibly a factor on turnover compared to sales. I'm afraid that the rinse is going to be very thin. All nice shops for the stamp enthusiast will probably close soon... It's probably just me, but I'm afraid that the same end as Qoop.nl will be....
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I'm afraid of the personal offer I'm going to get, think I'll just decline the credit and come up with something else. I think the prices are unrealistic. 30 albums of €75 and I'm already in the more expensive segment. And I have a collection of 50 years...
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The KOR is a VAT exemption. If you meet the conditions and opt for the KOR, you no longer have to charge VAT to your customers. You will also no longer file a VAT return and you will no longer be able to reclaim VAT on your costs and investments.

As a KOR entrepreneur, you do not have to calculate VAT on your sales, but you do pay the VAT on your purchases (just like private individuals).
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Just one last thing, and then I'll get back to work: I understand that LastDodo can't keep doing it for free. But apparently they have not realized that the consumer is now being attacked from all sides with rising energy prices, healthcare costs and other skyrocketing fixed costs. Then almost 450 euros per year for a subscription is really ridiculous and the timing is very badly chosen. I see my turnover fall rather than rise in these times in the coming year, and then it really makes no sense anymore.
It was a good few years, I enjoyed working on the catalog and planned to add more in the coming months, now that I finally had the time. There was a whole pile ready with items that are not yet in the catalog, but I'm afraid it will just go back in the closet now. That's just the way it is.
I wish LastDodo good luck.
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My shop currently has a value of € 3,476. However, under "My subscription" the VIP collector option is marked in green as "Current subscription". Is that a mistake?

In fact, I should take out a Top Seller subscription, but the extra € 28.29 per month only becomes profitable if I offer many more items for sale. For now, I make sure to get (and stay) under 3000.
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Rene. do you also send VAT invoices with a VIP Collector (annual) subscription?

Boekenkar Yes, VAT is also listed separately on the VIP Collector invoice. The amount of 7.95 therefore already includes VAT.
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@Rene, are you looking at the Value shop.... or Value incl. stock?

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