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I came across these sheets, but I can't find them in the Michel Special catalogue. Does anyone know more about the value?
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  • July 05, 2024 21:16
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The stamps are there but the sheets are not.
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July 06, 2024 07:59
At the list price (B) is indicated stefan1977 . According to Michel, the sheets from your example have the same list price as the loose stamp from the other sheet (10x5) and the loose stamp from the booklet (Mi.1862 for example).

I don't know why these sheets are not listed separately. The Kleinboogen usually gets a separate mention.
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OK thank you. In any case, they don't happen very often.
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July 06, 2024 09:03
I don't think these sheets are yet in the stefan1977 catalog at LD. So if you feel like it and have the time?.

With LD they fall under blocks, see manual definition. You can also add your own list price. The guideline is then the loose stamp, with a certain surcharge.
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The picture is not good enough for me to know,what is shown.
But I cannot believe,that this are souvenir sheets.
Not being listed by Michel,it is hard to believe,that such s.s. do exist !
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July 06, 2024 16:00
So something like that #635775
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July 06, 2024 18:55
So something like that #635775

Something like that is simply included in the Michel catalog fazerco . Number 1867, Block 38. Your example is also known to LD. Otherwise you wouldn't have found it :).

The blocks or sheets that Stefan indicates are not with LD and not clearly with Michel. So it is something like that, but not the real thing.
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Can't the1973 Party Games Youth (I) ,1973 Party Games Youth (II) and1973 Party Games Youth (III) also be combined?

This is possible stripspeldjes, but this is not an obligation, is it?
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Not being listed by Michel,it is hard to believe,that such ss do exist !

They are listed at Michel Salentin . However, there is very little information included.
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July 07, 2024 09:04
Probably mentioned in the Michel Spezial.But not listed.
I guess it´s a private issue.
If I´m wrong,please correct me.(Cat.no. e.t.c.)
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July 07, 2024 09:16
Salentin
1973, July 3. -Arches (B) (10x5)
Michel 1862 (B)#1866 (B)
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July 07, 2024 14:29
Pretty funny ! 
In my Michel editions,the latest is the 2002/2003,they are neither listed nor mentioned.
What is the meaning of "Arches (B)" ?
(10x5) usually means the number and order of stamps in a sheet.
How cannot be connected with souvenir sheets (Blöcke) ?
Looks like,I have to learn a lot !
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July 07, 2024 15:01
It's a bit weird indeed Salentin .



What is the meaning of "bows (B)"?

In other issues this is not included, for example here it only says (10x5).

In my Michel 2020 it says this,


So a sheet, a 10x5 sheet and a booklet.

PS If you click on the picture once, the image will become larger.
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Charles1971 ,
thank you so much !
I think I understand now:
the (B) means issued in sheets (10x5)
the (MH) issued in booklets (Markenheftchen)
But there is no mentioning of the items shown by stefan77.
So the mystery remains unsolved.

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July 07, 2024 17:08
the (B) means issued in sheets (10x5)

Not quite Salentin , the (B) means there is a separate edition, next to the sheet (10x5). I think the (B) are Stefan's sheets (Bogen).

See for example another GDR issue,


None (B) but there is an issue in sheets (10x5).
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Charles1971 ,
of course not,because Michel 1856-61 were issued in sheets only.
However 1862-66 were issued in sheets of 50 (all stamps) and  5 Pfg. and
20 Pfg.in booklets (Markenheftchen 7) as well.
The booklet panes (16 & 17) contain 4 stamps each.
That is why Michel made a distinctive addition to the catalogue numbers,
namely (B) and (MH),
But the items shown by stefan1977 look like s.s. on the first sight.
If stefan1977 could provide a decent picture of one of the "s.s.",front and backside at best,we would have a chance to solve the mystery !
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Here is another issue with a booklet Salentin,


This was published in sheets and booklets, but not in (B). So (B) is a separate thing.
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I thought it was clearly described in the Michel:
Arches (B)
Markenheftchen (MH)

In other words, the distribution as Salentin indicates

See also, for example, the 1961 Ulbricht series

B = Bows (sheets)
R = Rollenmarken (coil stamps)
MH = Markenheftchen (stamp booklets)
MHB = Markenheftchenbogen (sheets for stamp booklets)
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It might be useful to see if the Michel catalog clarifies the meaning of "Block," "Kleinbows," and "Bogen."

These would be "Block" and definitely not "Bows."

Briefmarken Spiegel (April 2009) - Die Abgrenzung von Block und Kleinbowen hat immer dieder die Philatelisten und Verleger von Katalogen und Vordruckalben beschäftig.

With a festive green, there is a complete collection of all blocks
aber nicht die Kleinbögen umfasst.

The Schwaneberger Verlag als Herausgeber der Michel-Kataloge hat folgende Systematik developed:

- look forward to seeing the three images or using the separate information (catalogue numbers) within a single block

- more than four gleichen or more as they appear in Marken or in Kleinbows

- on four gleichen Marken come with: Success in a purchase in great Einheiten, etwa in üblichen Schalterbogen, liegt in a Block, otherfalls in Smallbows for (letzteres for all the next new)

- Bogen with more as their Marken since there are Small Arches, we would like to see uninterrupted Marken enthalten

Since 2000 we will be happy and we will be happy with our future Eingruptions.

Briefmarken Spiegel (April 2009) - Die Abgrenzung von Block und Kleinbowen hat immer dieder die Philatelisten und Verleger von Katalogen und Vordruckalben beschäftig.

With a festive green, there is a complete collection of all blocks
aber nicht die Kleinbögen umfasst.

The Schwaneberger Verlag als Herausgeber der Michel-Kataloge hat folgende Systematik developed:

- look forward to seeing the three images or using the separate information (catalogue numbers) within a single block

- more than four gleichen or more as they appear in Marken or in Kleinbows

- on four gleichen Marken come with: Success in a purchase in great Einheiten, etwa in üblichen Schalterbogen, liegt in a Block, otherfalls in Smallbows for (letzteres for all the next new)

- Bogen with more as their Marken since there are Small Arches, we would like to see uninterrupted Marken enthalten

Since 2000 we will be happy and we will be happy to have further Eingruptions.
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Charles1971 ,
admittedly it is not easy.
DDR 2965-6 does not need any additional "(B)",as both stamps exist
as Bogen- and as Heftchenmarken,as stated in the header.

In the introduction of the Michel-cats. "(B)" is not mentioned.
B without paranthesis connected to a cat.no. usualy indicates
an imperforated stamp or block.
Often however,to indicate that imperforated stamps of a normally
perforated issue exist,it is marked by a square in paranthesis.

However I think it becomes clear,when you compare with
Bundesrepublik 506-10 (Brandenburg Gate definitives).
There you will find (B) for Bogenmarken,(MH) for Markenheftchen
or Heftchenmarken and (R) for Rollenmarken.

The sign for souvenir sheet (Block) is "Bl" (see introduction)

But I guess we will never come to a meaningful conclusion about
the items,shown by stefan 77,as long as he woun´t provide us with 
useful scans. 

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Hallo liebe Briefmarkenfreunde.Seit gestern bin ich bei LD angemeldet und freue mich Euch kennenlernen zu dürfen.
Kurz zu meiner Person.Bin gebürtig aus Deutschland,lebe aber seit fast zwanzig Jahren in Österreich.Hoffentlich kann  ich mit eurer Hilfe meine doch noch nicht so guten Kenntnisse über Briefmarken vertiefen.Vielen Dank.
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