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It is inextricably linked to Catawiki as an auction house. You can say that it actually has nothing to do with it, but the common community sees it differently. It turns out. And if they are indicative, there is some value in those list prices. In that case, a list price must have a certain degree of aboslute value, and that may vary a bit, of course, but being something of high value is not suddenly not worthy of auction. Everything of value is up for auction ... right? You do that right? Then rate it with rare, less rare or not rare ... you are also rid of it. I read a thing or two about Matla and I came there sometimes. His prices and those of other dealers were also based on M's catalog. Actual sales prices did not differ very much there. I am afraid that I am writing this for the cat etc, but hey. Thank you for your answer.

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June 10, 2020 14:44

@jawatdan

Of course everyone can have an opinion, I prefer to stick to the facts myself.
The auction experts have nothing to do with the catalog and vice versa we have nothing to do with the auctions.
That is why you address the wrong people with "You do that, right?". You will need to address the auctions' experts and / or customer service team.

You can submit any suggestions for catalog values, motivated, to the relevant item in the catalog.

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June 10, 2020 18:30

Wherever in a catalog, whatever, "perfection" takes place with the filling of values, there is 1 element that will always lead to discussions. And that is that appreciation. A value assignment sometimes has an effect on buy / sell transactions, but much more often it does not. Especially when it comes to stamps, comic books, books. People simply want an ideal record and a kind of grip. I am glad that a Koninklijke Bibliotheek has always avoided this monetary element ..........

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June 11, 2020 11:26

Whether Cata / Auction and Cata / Catalog have something to do with each other is without interest

It's just about the question how many real collectors are there still? (Spirou, Tintin Pep, etc. everything disappeared) then you can still have such beautiful Cat prices. 4000/3000 Hfl now so converted ca 2000 € even a print in perfect condition now brings about 330/400 € at an auction in ten years maybe only 25 € when looking at the start / start of the Cata Auction, a good Blake went and Mortimer still gone for 1000 € now in almost new condition 300/400? it is like with Stamps and Coins we die old business from the new generation already has a laptop that read and collect no longer with 6/7

and PS it's still what the fool doesn't care what you think it's worth collect since 1959 in the meantime the value has dropped to 80% Ce La Vie!

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June 13, 2020 21:49

The Matla awards were fantasy.

I don't see much difference for the really rare antique albums Baron. I see reasonable reprints of Amoras for 200 to 300 euros. It used to be the case.

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At the moment you can see the trend that only antique albums in absolute new condition retain their value. Everything below that falls in price.

The price of a comic album is determined by what the enthusiast is willing to pay for it. If the number of enthusiasts decreases, the price will also decrease.

In 20 years' time, the hardcore core of the collectors will simply no longer be there. I would therefore not advise anyone to purchase strips as a long-term investment ...

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June 14, 2020 11:56

This is the collector's platform, below what Catawiki auctions says about it.

https://aandelenkopen.nl/beleggen/beleggen-in-stripboeken/

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June 14, 2020 13:59

@ Harry56

The study referred to by Aandelenkopen.nl is at least 5 years old.

Agree with rikMooren that only the antique comic books in (near) new condition currently retain any value. This also applies to recently released luxury versions in a very limited edition.

Prices move in long-term waves. When Catawiki started auctioning comic books, prices were generally relatively low. Then it went upwards at a rapid pace, and then slowly eroded. Exceptions, of course;)

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I still like to watch the comics auctions and buy something from time to time. The prices for the unique pieces are not bad. But you can see from the number of people who have a lot in the favorites that 20 to 30 viewers is really little. And probably mostly the same. The times of the Strip3daagse with swarms of (now old gray) enthusiasts lie in a distant past. I do see that the old Suskes, not even 1st editions, do well in lesser states. But those are the exceptions. If I was 30 years younger, I could now enthusiastically take advantage of this. Well, it remains fun and if I understand correctly from Rik I still have 20 years .............

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Oh well, it's still fun and if I understand Rik correctly, I still have 20 years

You will be at least 100 Harry :)

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June 14, 2020 16:18

Rik, also an extension of 12 years, what more could a person want .... Who knows, the weekly Tintin magazine will be taken off again and the slogun adjusted slightly "" The super magazine for the youth of 7 to 99 years old "

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June 14, 2020 16:21

You will always be 56, Harry ... (;-)

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Arco, you give me an idea, I will not change my username until I am 99 years old. I still have something to live towards. I am assuming that Catawiki will still exist. But you will take care of that, I have every confidence.

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Catawiki may then be owned by Google, Amazon or Facebook; and the collector's platform will be listed on the stock exchange by then and completely VR ...

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And if you don't pay the membership fee for a month, you can purchase the most beautiful antique first editions for yourself. :-)

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June 14, 2020 17:04

By then the catalog will have to be saved from venture capitalists by means of a “citizens' initiative” ;-)

If it can be placed in a cooperative or foundation, the fate of the database is at least not linked to the auctions.

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June 14, 2020 18:56

Rene had a new site again, so maybe he'll buy it back ;-).

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https: //www.sprout .nl / article / start-time of crisis / rene-shoemakers-catawiki-good-entrepreneurs-can-distinguish-themselves-now

Interesting interview. But if I read between the lines, his heart doesn't really lie with this catalog anymore.

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Of course it could also be that you are not very good at reading between the lines ... But don't leave that option open ... (;-)

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Based on the personal impression I had of René, I have always assumed that there was a great deal of idealism in the creation of this catalog. But this interview suggests (to my surprise) that his motives were much more economic than I thought. Sure, that's the approach of the article (on a website about startups) and maybe the other side has been neglected, but the story gives me no reason to hope that Fazerco is right. Anyway, I don't blame René, you know.

You may have the knowledge to judge the situation differently, but for a hopeful look at the future, I am waiting for a little more clues ;-)

(But that discussion is quite an off topic here ...)

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@Rik

In 20 years' time, the hardcore core of the collectors will simply no longer be there. I would therefore not advise anyone to purchase strips as a long-term investment ...

And then I buy everything for 1 Euro.

Provided I can last that long. ;-)

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Provided I can last that long. ;-)

If not, our heirs will sell our collections by the kilo to the scrap paper trade.

There is always someone who benefits from this :-)

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I am so afraid of that, I will therefore sell everything as soon as possible so that my wife does not get cheated, I have quite a lot, you see ...

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If not, our heirs will sell our collections by the kilo to the scrap paper trade.

Nowadays, old paper doesn't bring in anything anymore ... you even have to bring money to get rid of it.

I always tell my children that I think they can make a ritual fire in front of the square here… it is my collection and I enjoy it. In that respect, it is after me the flood. Although I assume that my daughter-in-law, as a Disney lover, will be able to figure it out by then…; o)

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Pessimism is so erudite

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