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Anyone seen one of these? Know what or how to value it?
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Just a specific example: Bonanza #1 from ZNU is available in no fewer than 5 variants in the catalogue. I'm pretty sure that's not just one edition, because there's no reason why two or more different designs for the front or back covers would be used in one edition. I assume that the version with the overview of ZNU publications is the 1st edition and the version with the Dennis advertisement is a reprint (since it lists series that were still missing from the overview of ZNU publications and were only published in 1961). have started). There are two separate variants with Dennis on the back, which differ in the text on the cover and the way in which the number is indicated. One of those variants is clearly based on the book edition that came out around the same time (the book says TV album 1, the word album has been removed from the comic). I wouldn't know which of those two variants was released first and in what year it was (the copyright year is 1960, just like everywhere else).

Then a special phenomenon occurs, because a general entry was first created for the version with ZNU publications on the back (https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/items/389861-ben-cartwright-en-zijn-zonen -in-a-battle-between-greedy-colonists-and-bloodthirsty-Indians). Later, separate entries were added for the variants that start with brown pages and the variant that starts with green pages. Actually, one of two things should happen: either the general entry should be split between the two separate entries, or the two separate entries should be merged with the general one. The first is virtually impossible (because then all collectors and shops would have to check whether their variant starts with a brown or a green page). The second would mean that we decide that the order of the colors is not relevant as a variant. For now I have solved it by giving the two separate entries a subnumber a and b and the general entry subnumber 'a/b', which makes it clear that it is actually a mixture of the specific variants. I'm curious if other administrators have ever had something like this happen.
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There will undoubtedly be many more examples of something that is wrong. But I am looking for something that collectors and administrators can work with. Too often in the past, something has been assumed without being properly put down on paper. We just have to get a set of rules on paper that is clear and understandable by everyone, without having to interpret.

Please provide a correct definition of a Se-tenant, without naming the series.
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Collectioneur that's great news!

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The scripts regarding Publibel and the transfer of Printing Houses to Publisher and/or Designer have been executed.
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Series contains all individual stamps of an Issue group
This is already wrong. Consider the 2020 U-Bahn stations14 from Charles1971: 1 issue group with multiple series. In the future, in principle, all long-term issue groups will consist of multiple series.
Se-tenant contains all the different stamps that are physically issued together from an Issuance group.
That is possible, but not necessary, as in this case: 1987 Transport . The Se-tenant contains at most 2 stamps, while the series consists of 8 stamps ( #8088077 is actually a series of se-tenants and therefore not allowed according to the manual). The se-tenant of 8 stamps does not exist (according to the information entered in LastDodo).
Isn't Se-tenant actually the counterpart of Series?
This is often the case, but is not always the case. I then interpreted the counterpart as separate stamps versus different stamps attached to each other.
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Maelyys resolved, partially by someone else.
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Over the years - unhindered by an administrator, virtually nothing has ever been assessed - I have entered se-tenant/series and bridge pair/series in Stadspost with the meaning: "all separate se-tenants/bridge pairs that are available in the series" . For example, in a series of 8 stamps you get 8 bridge pairs. The second meaning I have worked with is more in line with the manual, namely: as long as I do not yet have the individual stamps of a se-tenant to enter as a series of individual items, I mark the se-tenant with all stamps but as a series.

I have since abandoned both meanings since I became more aware of the manual and with some administrator input. All series of se-tenants and bridge pairs have now been broken down and the old entry has been cleaned up. There are also no more se-tenants that are also series. Series with separate items exist - wherever I have them - next to any se-tenants. The whole thing looks very workable to me.
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stripspeldjes etc
The entire introduction to 10 Species is unclear (to me), because it was written when the definitions of the species now mentioned were not yet available. I think it would be good if there was something else there.

Isn't Se-tenant actually the counterpart of Series?
Series contains all the individual stamps of an Issue group and Se-tenant contains all the different stamps that are physically attached to each other of an Issue group.
In the definition of Se-tenant I would not mention the series, to avoid confusion.
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Snap. I would be happy to become a beta tester when this topic is picked up again. Does LD have a roadmap or other insight such as a blog about where the stakes on this platform are going?
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Thank you ;-)
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Yes, I found it, there are other examples from 1947. The cover is missing but otherwise exactly the same. So I adjusted it.
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So #10324627 . I don't have any copies to compare, but given the number of "happy tales" I would bet on #39664 or #26385 (which are indistinguishable without a cover).
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There's no identification anywhere... otherwise I wouldn't ask. I think it's before 1945. But can't find it anywhere. The images are included.
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On April 30, Duane Eddy passed away at the age of 86. He was one of the leading guitarists of the 60s.
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Yet I regularly see the Series item used to offer an incomplete series.
Raoul62 an incomplete series is a condemnable item in my opinion. A complete series is an extremely useful item for me. If there is a series, always use it above individual items, otherwise I add the series. Series of individual items is very easy to handle. Series-of-individual-items-except-if-a-se-tenant-exists-because-then-it-takes-priority leads to more work for collectors, sellers and, due to misunderstanding among importers, more work for administrators.
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Different stamps issued in a block is a block not a series - Tear off the edges it is a se-tenant and not a series - Tear off the stamps and you have a series of loose stamps - If everyone agrees, then we are still finished ?
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Thank you everyone very much, it is clear now.

If, as Raoul62 said, the real French also give their opinion, that would be very nice
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se-tenant and series are not synonyms. That you can see a se-tenant as a series, soi, but certainly not the other way around. To date, no one has been able to explain to me in three words why these are equated.
Even with many words you cannot answer this question.


Be careful when you quote. That you add the correct user. Think soon
everyone that I wrote those words :)
I don't see a question mark in that piece.
If it has to be in three words, then unfortunately I have to pass. I think there are few things about philately that you can explain in three words.
Unless you accept 'it's in the manual' as an answer... that's in three words.
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The manual is still confusing.
Under art. 10. State Type :
● A Series consists of 1 or more stamps.
It is only specified under 10.14 that they may only be loose stamps.
A Series is an item depicting the individual stamps from a current issue group
be bought and sold in its entirety as a series.

If this new definition has priority, then a Series may not contain any Se-tenants.
And also no stamps with tab, combinations, machine stamps, roll stamps, varieties, etc.

In any case, it is not logical to say that a se-tenant containing the entire series should not be included as a separate item. After all, such a complete se-tenant is a legitimate item that differs from other manifestations in the Issue group. However, the Series is no more than a combination item, which would be disapproved as duplication in any category other than Stamps, and which is only permitted for commercial reasons.
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Especially not because we will then get rid of the nonsensical discussions about se-tenant once and for all.
If I follow your reasoning, only commercially interesting "Series" remain.

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se-tenant and series are not synonyms. That you can see a se-tenant as a series, soi, but certainly not the other way around. To date, no one has been able to explain to me in three words why these are equated.
Even with many words you cannot answer this question.

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It is an exceptional case that is explicitly mentioned in the Stamp Handbook, since the beginning I assume. I follow the manual.
As 'Series' is also explicitly mentioned as an exception (but in the highest basic manual).

However, that extra rule (exception) to the exception is not clear. Many times I have left an item completely in doubt for a long time (sometimes it works out over time, when the loose sheets appear). When do you know whether stamps from a separate tenant have also been issued in single sheets?
Do all stamps of that se-tenant have to be issued loosely in sheets, or is it sufficient if 1, or half the number, has also been issued in loose sheets...
Is it necessary to round or round off to determine the half?
Now you can reject a 'series', and tomorrow a sheet will appear in the catalog for a single stamp from that se-tenant ... which suddenly provides proof that > 50% of the stamps from those se-tenant sheets are made per stamp.

For me, the exception to the exception is too much. No more and no less.
If you want to go to the other extreme, that's fine with me. Then there will be guaranteed an additional influx of serial items. In addition to the other outstanding reviews... it may not matter, one more or less.
With such a change, a transition phase will be necessary. A big.
All those se-tenants that are now also serial... and you can't get them out with any LD drug!
However, all those hanging on it should still receive a message. You have job security Collectioneur :)

Another (bold) solution, very simplistic, is to move away from se-tenant as a type to LD in the stamp catalogue.
Just as we do not allow pairs, blocks of 4, blocks of 8, etc.: get rid of the se-tenant.
That solution would score very high on the 'clarity' scale.
Then (at least) one series item can be added anywhere, in every issue.
Those who wish to sell their blocks of 4 can do so with the item of the loose stamp, their own image and an explanation in the comment.
If you want to sell a se-tenant, you could do so with the series item, your own image and an explanation in the comment.
Didn't I also say that when offering a se-tenant, your own image should always be added?
Not such a bad idea if you ask me.
Especially not because we will then get rid of the nonsensical discussions about se-tenant once and for all. Triple win!
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April 30: Paul Auster (77)
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We recently just defined the Series type and it only talks about individual stamps.
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Raoul62 se-tenant and series are not synonyms. That you can see a se-tenant as a series, soi, but certainly not the other way around. To date, no one has been able to explain to me in three words why these are equated.

It is not relevant whether this was already in the manual in 2013 or not.

By the way, it has been stated in another thread that series are determined on the basis of commercial popularity and therefore has a certain arbitrariness. A maximum se-tenant will always be the same (in order), regardless of which source (paper catalogue) you prefer.

I therefore agree with the simple formulation of az60 (and nlae )

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