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June 09, 2026 17:25
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Great work!
The difference between the Jumbo brand and the various manufacturers is now also clearer.
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Thanks, Boenie.
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Dear Forum Members,
Due to previous correspondence and uncertainty regarding the manufacturers of Jumbo puzzles in the various periods, I have compiled a brief overview after some research.
It can be found in the general section, at the top of the Jumbo collection page.
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In your shop, you can offer all kinds of items via a separate advertisement. However, if you link to an item from the catalog, that shop item must also comply with what is indicated in the catalog.

In many categories, "individual" parts of an item are entered. For example, under Games, hundreds of loose Jokers from playing card sets have been added. For Music, I do not know what the custom is, but for Comics, the individual books from a box are also added.
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Dear Tammo, if I understand correctly, a puzzle box with 4 puzzles and 8 images can be added to LD as a whole; but that same whole item can also be split. The empty box and the 4 double-sided puzzles can each be included as separate items (5 x) in the LD catalogue, with the restriction that only 1 side per double-sided puzzle is shown and that this represents the individual item. Does that apply catalogue-wide?

I don't pretend to know better, but I would really like to understand it, especially since the manual doesn't provide a clear explanation.

Is it also possible, for example, to include a double LP (A) with sleeve, and 2 LPs with sides 1/2 and 3/4 as separate items (3)?

Suppose I no longer own the sleeve, nor the LP with sides 1/2, but I do still have the LP with side 3/4. I would like to sell the latter. Can I add it to my collection in LD as a separate item or offer it for sale?

Or I add item A to my shop and mention in the 'comments' that it only concerns the LP 3/4 or that the sleeve and LP 1/2 are missing.

The latter would be my strong preference as an administrator, because otherwise the volume of the catalogue continues to increase (without adding anything substantial for collectors) and becomes more fragmented.

I am familiar with the example of a book and an accompanying bookmark. These can be listed separately in the catalogue. However, there is an essential difference; namely, that these are separate items (combined for the occasion), which does not apply to the puzzle box or double LP. Those form a cohesive whole from the outset. Splitting them into separate items therefore seems undesirable or illogical to me. But if that were indeed LD's intention, then an addition to the handbook would be more than welcome.

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Entirely correct, beyond improvement.
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Every puzzle on LD must be able to be sold separately. That cannot contravene the manual.

That's right.
However, a double-sided puzzle can only appear in the catalog once. It is fine if you potentially list that item twice in your shop for sale, with a different side (your own image) as the first image.
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Apologies for joining late, it wasn't available earlier.

In connection with the sale of 'individual' puzzles, the category 'other' was chosen (also). This was discussed previously. Previous agreements have since been brought forward.
Every puzzle on LD must be able to be sold separately. That cannot contravene the manual.
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Item #11396345 consists of 4 separate double-sided jigsaw puzzles: #11399351 + #11399599 + #11399887 + #11399929 . These are separate items (parts) of a set, which is why they can also be/have been entered as separate items.

A double-sided puzzle is one item; we are not going to enter both sides as separate items because they are attached to each other.
If someone wants to show them separately in an advertisement, they can use their own photos for that.
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Thank you. Can you make a suggestion regarding item 11396345? The Bommelwereld puzzle box contains 4 double-sided puzzles. That set constitutes the item.

Waldo wanted me to also 'allow' the 4 puzzles as separate puzzles and include them as standalone items, so that he can draw attention to each puzzle individually and offer it for sale.
To me, this seems to go against the principles as described in the handbook. I understand his wish, but where does that end?
For practical reasons, it seems more feasible to me if he mentions in his shop under the main item that it concerns a part of the 4-in-1 puzzle and specifies which part that is.
What do you think about that?
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A complete set may always be entered in the category where the set is best showcased. However, it must have been manufactured and sold as such, and not be a self-assembled set.
The individual parts can be entered in the category suitable for them.
For all those part items, an image of the entire set may also always be added, as the last image for information.
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Take another look at the manual.
Composite items. Anything that can come 'loose' or get lost: sooner or later, it will happen anyway.
So which means.
You have unpacked the 'complete' item.
So the item has come 'loose'.
You can therefore enter the puzzle, poster, and mat separately. (under Puzzles, Posters, and Other, respectively)
And the 3 puzzle, poster and mat ' together' as one (1) item (I would say under Other).
The puzzles are already in the right place; so just the poster and the mat (optional).
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For your information waldo1961

Thank you for your input and activity.

Item 11782315 has been slightly modified. An image of the free puzzle and poster has been added. The mat, puzzle, and poster package has now effectively been split into 3 items.

The manual states: 1.5.1 A catalogue item can be a composite object, but never a collection of objects.

In the present case, the item is added as a composite object and offered for sale as a whole. In that state, I would place it under 'other' categories. You buy a mat (main item) and get the rest (sub-items) for free. 'Case closed'? For now, I would say, until a different situation perhaps arises, as shown below.

I previously corresponded with waldo1961 about the following:
What if an owner of a (randomly composite object) has a duplicate of that object and decides to split the composite object, add the sub-items to LD separately, and offer them for sale?

Even then, 'Bommelwereld' item 11396345 seemed/seems to be a prime example of: A catalogue item can be a composite object, but never a collection of objects. The parts (individual puzzles) cannot be included / offered as a separate catalogue item.

To accommodate the persistent wish at the time to be able to sell them separately, I suggested offering them with the others instead. So I am the 'instigator'.

However, this is now the newly created situation after transferring the 4 separate items from 'Other'. See term 'Bommelwereld': https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/search?q=bommelwereld&type_id=207.

Quite a story. Who has a suitable approach?

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The 4 Bommel puzzles have been placed in Puzzles with the Bommelwereld 8-in-1 Puzzle set.
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It is better to place this in the 'Other' category.
It is even explicitly stated on the 'unopened' item: 'Tapis pour (voor) puzzle'.
And to make a 'link' to the Puzzles section.
Once the item is 'opened', you can place the free puzzle under Puzzles and the puzzle mat under Other.
So whether it's unopened or opened comes into play here too...
By the way, Boenie #11399351 #11399599 #11399887 #11399929 are 'incorrectly' in the 'Other' category. Perhaps something for Collectioneur to correct that.

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Dear Forum Members,
It concerns item 11782315 in the Puzzles category and has the title 'Puzzle mat with Free Puzzle'.

The item is actually a puzzle mat. As an extra, a puzzle is included. It does seem to me that this 'advertisement' is not in the correct category, because the order of main items and details is usually reversed.

Sometimes puzzles come onto the market (and appear in the LD catalogue) with a bonus, such as a poster of the image or something similar. In that case, it is clear to me. That fits in this category and the bonus is mentioned under special features. Now I am unsure, so I would appreciate your opinion.

- Would this item fit in the puzzles category?
- If not, which section in LD would you recommend.

Thank you in advance.
Kind regards, Wim
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Collectioneur Sorry, I should have seen it.
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The informative story about Hausemann & Hotte + Jumbo was/is already with the relevant manufacturers and the Jumbo brand.
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Harry...thanks for your compliment. I will take this into consideration...
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jufrouw-janny a wonderful explanation about "Jumbo". Wouldn't it be handy to make an info page about it? With a bit of cutting and pasting.. https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/5755997-koninklijke-jumbo-bv
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....another addition 1980s: The brand expands significantly abroad. During this period, the name Jumbo International is used as an international division to market puzzles and games worldwide in some 50 countries. It is not clear which puzzles fall under this...
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Sorry for the late reply....
I will try to explain a few things... The firm Hausemann & Hötte used to make wooden toys. They came up with the name Jumbo for their series of wooden toys. These toys had to be strong enough for an elephant to stand on! Around 1936, the first little elephant was designed as a logo. In the beginning, around 1946, there were two H's inside the elephant, which stood for the company name: Hausemann and Hötte. The name Jumbo was written in front of the elephant at that time, with the word 'spelen' (to play) behind it. Essentially, it meant something like: "JUMBO PLAY by H&H". When Hausemann and Hötte started making games and puzzles themselves, the two H's inside the elephant were replaced by the name Jumbo. That is how Jumbo became its own brand....
Jumbo operates in various countries. These include Jumbo Nederland BV, Jumbo Spiele GmbH Germany, Jumbo Belgium, Falcon Games Ltd England, and the Nederlandse Spellenfabriek. Depending on which country you live in, Jumbo has a different name.
1978 Award by Her Majesty The Queen of the designation “Royal”.
1980 Jumbo starts producing Jan van Haasteren Puzzles.
2002 The Hötte family (Hausemann had sold his shares long before) sells the company to
ABN Amro Capital and Management.
2007 Koninklijke Hausemann & Hötte is renamed Koninklijke Jumbo BV
So I must apologize for rejecting the change. Changing the manufacturer will take some work, but this will be done in the near future. I have also discussed this with the other administrator.
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Then why does it say "Hausemann & Hötte" on the box at all?
That’s written on it for a reason, isn't it?...
Isn't Jumbo just a 'brand' that was manufactured and/or marketed by manufacturer Hausemann & Hötte?
And on Wikipedia I read that Hausemann & Hötte became 'royal' in 1978.
And when did Jumbo become royal, then?
In 1976?...
When did the name Hausemann & Hötte cease to really exist?
And aren't a brand and a manufacturer two essentially different things?
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This was agreed upon to create a single comprehensive overview of all Jan van Haasteren puzzles on the site, regardless of who the artist or publisher is.
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Have you asked the relevant administrator that question?
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