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Hello,

I got this 'seal'  (on 11/11/2020)  via a parcel/thick letter.
Can anyone tell me what this is correct, because I can't find it.

Thank you in advance,
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November 02, 2021 20:55
Haasjen 
Looks like a vending machine stamp. For Japan, there are none yet known on LD.
For Belgium, however:
https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/233945-automation stamp?cf%5B7839%5D=100601
en the Netherlands also:
https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/233945-automation-sign?cf%5B7839%5D=100293&page=1
Is not in your profile which country you are from ...

Vending machine stamps are not always included in all catalogues. Can be pretty hard to find. There are 'special' catalogs for this. Very few people have one that is still fairly recent.

It has a value, a date and a country on it. Feel free to add them in the Stamps section.
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November 03, 2021 17:22
It looks more like a ticket slip, paid and stamped from the counter of a post office. You can still enter at the stamps :)
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November 03, 2021 17:52
To my knowledge it's a proof of location (due to Covid-19 and quarantine)
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December 03, 2021 18:44
Loriot 
Could you check and update and/or supplement the details of that item (entered as #8862295) based on your knowledge?
Maybe the printed '02' means year 2 of the Reiwa period. Then the date below is drawn up in 'Western' format (for the year).
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December 03, 2021 22:51
Raoul62 
Again:  To my knowledge it's a proof of location (due to Covid-19 and quarantine) 
This means: it's no stamp and this item has no place in the stamp catalogue. 
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December 03, 2021 23:44
Loriot

Er staat een waarde op, een land, en het bevond zich op een pakket dat per post werd verstuurd.  De verzender zal er wellicht aan het postloket voor betaald hebben, omdat anders de zending niet zou verstuurd worden.

Het heeft een postale functie vervuld (onrechtstreeks), en is daardoor verbonden met de filatelie ...  Geen rechtstreeks verband: het is geen bewijs van betaling voor het verlenen van de dienst verzenden, maar wel verbonden met het verzenden.  Er is bijkomend iets (150 yen) aan de postdiensten betaald voor een bijkomende (verplichte) dienst, om de hoofddienst te kunnen uitvoeren.  een soort 'toeslag-zegel', maar dan in een modern jasje.  Volgens jou ontstaan binnen de actualiteit van Covid-19.
Zou kunnen: dat omwille van de pandemie pakketten door de post een tijd moeten bewaard worden vooraleer ze naar het buitenland mogen worden verstuurd.  Dat voor die bewaring er moet bijbetaald worden.  Met dergelijk label als bewijs van die toeslag, gekleefd op het pakket.
Dat is goed mogelijk.

Bijzaak volgt de hoofdzaak, dus waarom niet in de postzegelrubriek opnemen?
Daarom zou ik geen bezwaar hebben dat het item wordt opgenomen in de postzegelrubriek.

Indien jij overtuigd bent dat het er niet in thuis hoort, in welke rubriek zou zo'n item dan wel moeten opgenomen worden?

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Is er (al) iets dergelijks (een soort voorwerp / bonnetje), uit een ander land in de rubriek 'Overig'?
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Raoul62 
I have been asked to follow the rules: translate my French into English. 
Why don't you follow the rules intended for you? 
Or is your text a sort of new English from West Flanders?
Or is it because you think the rules don't apply to moderators? :):) 
Anyway I'm no Japanese speaking French coincidentally.
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December 04, 2021 08:36
Sorry for disturbing then, and never mind. This doesn't help LD.

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December 04, 2021 09:32
Raoul62 
You just don't get it.
Do you really believe that all Dutch speaking people understand your English message on the Dutch site (and not very friendly for the users of this site)? 
 
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It is proof of payment for providing the postal service , so definitely for the stamp section.

Such 'postage slip' (counter slip), the size of a train ticket, is printed at the counter of the post office with a franking machine for immediate and single use. So it's not like a stamp that is sold at the counter, which you can take with you and use later. The counter slip is printed and attached directly to the item to be franked/sent. It goes directly into the shipping circuit.
Such a strip can be used for full postage, or partially (to supplement a shortage).
In Japan, Article 45 of the Postal Regulations defines the size, shape, use, etc. in detail, and the post office calls it a "certificate seal".
The franking machines with the current design imprint were introduced on November 1, 2001 and are used in post offices across Japan.

Below a description:
  • Print is in red on a white background.
  • The three red lines are a recognition and orientation point in the automated processing process. It ensures that this vignette is not stamped unnecessarily.
  • The country name under the three stripes.
  • In the box the value in yen.
  • Below that is the name of the post office where the franking machine that created the vignette is located. The name KOISHIKAWA is the name of the post office of the vignette pictured in the first post of this thread. It might as well say 'TAKAMATSU', 'OSAKA', ... on it. Depending on where the item to be sent is brought in and the sender pays.
  • The print then contains an image of the spotted duck, as on the stamp #1248045 of 90 yen from 1994.
  • The number between the stars indicates the year in the Japanese era. Here 3rd year of Reiwa, which means 2021 in our count.
  • Then the date of creation (print), also the only day that the vignette is valid to enter the sending process.
  • No time stamp (hour/minute) is printed on the strip.
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January 21, 2022 21:42
Raoul62 nice search! Can you also tell from the seal itself that the era is Reiwa? With older stamps this often seems not to be the case. I came across this in connection with the Russian-Japanese war in 1904-1905, but I didn't delve further into it.
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January 21, 2022 21:46
The date according to our standards is below it :)  So you know immediately.
Old documents from Japan never had the year we know on it.
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January 21, 2022 22:50
Year 2 of Reiwa, sent from Tokyo's 5th ward, where the zoo is located.
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January 21, 2022 23:24
Hey, a neighborhood you know well? lol
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No, Japan is too far for me. Matter of googling.
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