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I placed an order, and got the answer, "I made a mistake and I can't deliver"

what is this answer if you have a shop and there are stamps for sale .
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December 16, 2021 16:20
That is indeed stated in the rules for sellers aartinge 

But everyone can be wrong of course.
You can possibly give neutral feedback in this situation, with a comment.
Negative feedback is not allowed because there was no faulty delivery.
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December 16, 2021 16:34
Rene  why wrong, I order about 40 stamps, what is the mistake then?
and feedback is not possible at all if the seller does not respond further?
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December 16, 2021 16:36
  why wrong, I order about 40 stamps, what is the mistake then?

I meant that the seller can make a mistake about keeping track of his stock. He also writes: "I made a mistake and I cannot deliver" ?

and feedback is not possible at all if the seller does not respond further, right?

Yes, that is possible after some time. Then a feedback email will be sent automatically aartinge 
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December 16, 2021 16:36
@aartinge 
the mistake is indeed with the seller, that should be clear right???? He may have sold them before and not updated the shop yet...

Sorry, same with Rene
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December 16, 2021 16:57
yes he has offered his stamps too cheaply, but now he suddenly doesn't want to lose them.
I'll wait and see what does, I think he will put them again.
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I may now be putting the cat to the bone, but I don't think it says anywhere that a seller has a delivery obligation. However, something must be for sale for a certain price (think of not increasing the price or negotiating about this after ordering) and a possible maximum shipping term.

But if a seller, for whatever reason, decides not to deliver something, he cannot be obliged to do so under the current rules. That's how it works on Marktplaats or second-hand sites. On the other hand, a buyer can cancel an order and has no purchase obligation.

A delivery and purchase obligation is formally regulated at the Catawiki auctions, but not under the rules on LastDodo.
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December 17, 2021 12:47
Trigopolis 

Would it be possible because this is regulated by law (legal provisions of a contract)?
If you offer something at a certain price, and someone accepts the offer as a buyer, then you have a contract. Whether in writing, digitally or verbally: it is a contract.
Nowhere is a prohibition written on certain practices, or eg the conditions regarding the sale of weapons or alcoholic beverages. This is all regulated by law.
LD can make additional additions. In my opinion, what is regulated by law does not have to be explicitly stated. All parties must adhere to this.

I wonder which legislation (country) applies to a contract concluded via a Dutch site between an American and a Japanese ...  Three different countries from three different continents.

The head office of an intermediate service provider also plays an important role in my opinion. See the story of the sale of stamps via the internet, including one from Cuba (value 10 cents), bought by a Belgian from a Pole, and paid for through an American company (PayPall). Both the Belgian and the Pole had their accounts held hostage at PP, and both persons were placed on the 'Black' list of the United States of America. Potential terrorists. The law is the law. Trading in products (even if it's just a 10 cent stamp) from countries considered enemy by the US is an act of terrorism.

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I think the saying of that cat on the bacon is great. I didn't know :)
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And it is indeed written somewhere: on p. 5 of the Terms of Use (Terms_of_use):

 5.4. You guarantee that you will not misuse the Service, for example by adjusting Object Data in an incorrect and/or misleading way, not supplying Objects offered by you and purchased by other Users or not to purchase Objects ordered by you from other Users 
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December 17, 2021 13:25
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Art 5.4 indeed states that a seller will not abuse the service by not delivering purchased objects. I overlooked that article. It might be useful to indicate this explicitly in the sales rules.
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December 17, 2021 13:48
Rene

Maybe a little search should be made for Accounts
- with an offer in a shop;
- that are 'actively' open (you can order there);
- who only have one red evaluation that already has quite a bit of hair (mold) on it (that is, old);
- if that red evaluation makes it clear that there is no delivery.

I can imagine that people create an account, then randomly click on something to test / experiment, and then leave the ship.
I recently saw one with an active shop, with one red evaluation from 2016, which explicitly stated that none of a complete order could be delivered. The ordered goods were quietly, silently, removed from the shelves in front of the buyer.
However: there are still items for sale in that shop, with a price on their head. And if I'm not mistaken, the store shelf was restocked again in 2020. That is fake and rotten. These are illegal or shady practices.
There may have been dozens more such orders in the same shop:  you'll never notice. Normally you cannot give an evaluation if no invoice is sent. Perhaps this was (still) possible in 2016.
It is a pity that my Pinocchio proposal was not retained. Three Pinocchio's (from different buyers) and the sell/buy option is automatically blocked until clearing. A system that sustains itself. Now you run after everything, and only by chance (after many years) you see that cheating is taking place.

That's why even though it would be interesting, in addition to the date when someone created an account, also the date of the latest activity on LD.
And even though I've already asked that a few times, I'll keep repeating it :)
Is the account still actively in use? Then we're dealing with a con man who does shady things. If that account has been out of use for a long time, it was an 'experiment'.
In both cases I would dare to suggest: delete the entire account. Unsavory practices have no place on LD.
I would even suggest checking by IP address (or via cookies) which other accounts belong to the same user. It strongly leans in that direction.
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will all be true, but if you don't have it anymore, because you've just been on a fair and sold a lot and you're just keeping track of your stock, then you don't have it anymore and so you can also don't deliver...
And how often do I get an order and then a message that they don't want it after all? Already have about 100 like that, do you think I'll make a problem of that, come on, have something better to do...
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December 17, 2021 14:10
he has offered his stamps too cheaply, but now he suddenly doesn't want to lose them
Maybe it is also a Pinocchio, Aart.
Offer with one account in a shop what he/she is actually looking for, at dumping prices.
After a while, suppliers join (and they all want the best give up to be able to sell).
With a different account, where those items are 'searched', then skim those stamps below the dumping price.
The worst thing is: LD sends you a neat message to warn you as soon as the fish has bitten, so you're right there with the chickens ...
What a bunch of animals :)

Cfr my previous post: it tends strongly in that direction.


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Disappointment is part of life. You should consider yourself lucky if you only have to worry about these little things.

(Anyway, I just received a fantastic book, so my day can't go wrong.)
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December 17, 2021 16:42
but if you don't have it anymore, because you have just been at a fair

this shop only has 2100 items, (can be stored in 1 stock book) so what purse?
rented a table for 25€ to sell stamps with 1 book from 0.02 to 0.30 cents
Morits this is really laughing with you.
but anything is possible!!

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Normally you cannot give an evaluation if no invoice is sent.

That's not right Raoul62 
You always get the opportunity to give feedback. After some time, the mail is also sent if the seller has not changed the status of the order.

Furthermore, when LastDodo was launched last year, all shops had to change their password and the conditions accept. Accounts that were inactive at the time did not - with some exceptions - and their shop was closed automatically. So all current sellers have at least shown this activity.

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aartinge 
It's about buying online and not being able to deliver, I give an example why something can't be delivered, reading comprehension can sometimes be difficult
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Morits Then why do you get a purse, he offers online, and I buy online.
which is why he doesn't want to deliver, I don't care that much.
yesterday he said, I have half not.
why is it for sale online, and then you just send the rest.
his response was pooh, are you patient?
I don't think he feels like doing anything at all.
what kind of seller is this, then close your shop.
maybe he doesn't even have 2100 stamps but only half of them, and then also reacts with difficulty.
ordered 4 days ago, and I still have no email from an item that wasn't there.
so everything is still there so far. but still say that half is not there.
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aartinge , agree with you that the other half would just be delivered. If this seller hadn't reacted so nonchalantly, the frustration would probably have been less.
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RusCCCP it's already done, I got half of it, and 8 other stamps that I didn't order.
I think this is a mess when a shop acts like this 
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