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June 22, 2022 22:36
What am I doing wrong?

I just added this item to the catalog: #9252579

I have this inserted from a copy of #2088331 from that same issue.
If I then click on the issue, 'my' item remains in a separate issue, and does not appear among the other stamps of this series.
What am I doing wrong? How can I do that if I start with a copy of another item from the same issue? How do we solve this?
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June 22, 2022 22:52
Rene We already started wrong. There are 2 issues in the database (309135 and 750531) and the system doesn't know what to do anymore? Actually, the Issue should be preserved with a copy, but those two Issues should also be merged.
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June 22, 2022 23:11
In this particular case, the easiest solution is to change the Issue Name on all stamps to 1973 Known Panamanians. But that doesn't solve the underlying problem of duplicate names, of which there are many more in the list.
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June 24, 2022 11:31
But that doesn't solve the underlying problem of duplicate names, of which there are many more in the list.

We are going to investigate how these double names arise because that is obviously not the intention Boekenmagazijn user-1713548 MennoGo 
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Rene You can never avoid doubles 100%, that could have been a careless administrator and that could put a super administrator back together. You may be able to solve the copy problem (chosen the wrong one).
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 You can never avoid doubles 100%, that may have been a careless administrator 

What exactly do you mean by: that could have been a careless administrator?
What action by an administrator could cause this?
Because then we might be able to adjust something for that.

The copy problem resolves itself when there are no more duplicate values, but we have to first make sure the source dries up of those double values. If necessary via a script that merges duplicate values.
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What action by an administrator could cause this?

How the duplication arose is fairly easy to find out via the History of the names:





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That about converting Issues is correct, but are there any other actions that can lead to duplicate values?
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I don't think so. Although an extra space can lead to names that look identical .
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I don't like trying all the mistakes, so I can't think of anything right now. Maybe try entering the same Issue via the 4 different sites/languages. But that's not a priority, an administrator can solve an error that happens a few times a year.
Your reaction "the problem is solved ..." I understand a little less. A copy must be a copy, and you can now technically intervene.
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That space is correct, but I don't think it bothers the copy function.

When entering a new item, any duplicate values entered are eventually merged by the system. But when adjusting a value, in the management screen, this is not done. Solution seems to me here that it is automatically merged here too or that a warning (block) is given on duplicate values in the administration screen.
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June 24, 2022 14:11
 But that's not a priority, an administrator can solve an error that happens a few times a year.

Unfortunately, it happens much more often, for example only search for "Known persons" under Issues/more for stamps. Scroll through the list and you will see that there are several duplicates. This will undoubtedly also be the case for other values.
This is not to blame the administrators, who thought they were doing a good job here by (in this case) adjusting the Issue.
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If I remember correctly, it used to be the case that duplicate series names (then, now issue) arose when instead of clicking the series name in the pop-up screen, you typed in the same name completely (without -up screen) and then the entry is added to the catalog. But I don't know if that's still the case.
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A copy must be a copy
A copy is not a copy. Only values are duplicated, which are entered in a new input form. And then the standard name check goes over that (which ensures that a different capital letter or accent does not create a new name).
What exactly are the conditions for this (and why with identical names for one and not for the other) is chosen) I don't know, that code is not visible to us.
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I did a small test and searched the Stamp Catalog for 1973 Famous persons, so this occurs twice.
Once Issue 42 Items and Once Issue 17 Items.
If one now looks at France and one takes e.g. this #359683 stamp, this is a Series of 7 separate stamps, which are now at the Issue of 42 Items and the Series is at Issue 17 Items.
And the problem here is that they can't be put together, so the 7 loose stamps and the Series.
And this is a small test, I think something is seriously wrong.
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June 24, 2022 15:37
that there are multiple duplicates
not anymore
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Think it's going well.
If you click on the issue name in the detail, you will see 'everything'.
If you click on an issue name in the (search) window 'Issues', then the default filter is set to :)
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June 24, 2022 15:43
 not anymore 

What do you mean by Raoul?
The duplicates are still there, see for example the Issue: 1981 Famous people:
[edit - via Issue / more, then search the selection on Famous people]
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Not so.
7 Loose Stamps and the Series.
If you use these #359683 and if you want to see these #690943 then one will not get it for each other when you click on Issue 1973 Famous Persons.
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on 'Befamethe persons' ... I lost the thread between Ken and Fame
I will soon see if I can clean up some 'Beknowthe persons'.

I think the problem can only arise through the intervention of an administrator in the administrator module .
In that module you also have a 'search window' with issue names.




If, for example, an administrator clicks on issue 'Predidents and known persons (USA 19) ', it will then be given the option to change the name (in all 4 languages).
In many areas, those country codes with numbers have already been cleaned up. You can also remove '(USA 19)' in the name here, and then you get the so-called 'double'.
It is best to adjust something like this via the user interface in the items. And then in the management module remove the wrong one (the one with 'USA 19' in the name) that is surplus (number in use = 0).

In case of duplicates, look in the management module to see which contains the fewest items . There you change the name (eg add 'temp'). =Then find in the UI that ' temp' string and give it the correct name. After that, in the admin module asap remove the name with ' temp' (which meanwhile contains 0 items).

I don't think there is a shortcut for an admin.

Super admins may have better luck with the opportunities they are given. But super administrators also have a ball book with little space.
Hence: a (regular, aka simple) administrator can also help clean up here.


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Haha, getting lost is fortunately a human thing.

We have already indicated the main reason for the occurrence of these duplications, which is indeed due to the adjustment of administrators of those names in the management module.

A super manager can fairly easily merge those duplicate Issues. But we need to remove the cause of those problems and that will be looked at.
Since Postmaster is currently on vacation, I will take care of that merge.
Due to the quantity this will take a while.

Something different here. I also see the same names, but with an addition, for example (I) or (CYG 296) or (DDR 532), etc. They were probably created deliberately at the time, but is that addition still necessary today?
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Those additions of country code and number are I think a CaR invention.
a few months ago I cleaned up some in the 3 UNO areas. Via the user screen (change issue). Then they disappear automatically after a while.
A few days ago I also did the exercise for Liechtenstein, who was also heavily infected with all those codes in issue names and catalog codes. But then in combination with the management module.
I think I did quite well.
What was scattered is now together, and most of that ballast has already been removed.

Additions à la (I), (II), (III) or (01), (02), (03), ... are made to improve the structure, layout and clarity. Issuance is simply an important part of the sorting process. those additions are made on purpose and (usually anyway) have a functional use.

The CaR additions in issue names should never be removed just like that. The releases should come together under one name: manually as I described it (and have used a lot lately), or via supermen (as you can).

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Lyonesse 
Does things look better now for those Kens from 1973? (Known-people)
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I had already seen it, Perfect Raoul.
The seal of the starting point of this Topic is now also neatly placed with the other stamps from the Series.
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2003 Celebrities (CYG 296) could easily be merged with 2003 Celebrities .

With 1973 Famous people (DDR 532) you can't just do that, because there is also an issue 1973 Famous people (DDR 545) .
To distinguish two identical issue names within the same year and country, suffixes such as (I) and (II) are regularly used.
You could of course also change the second name to, for example, 1973 Monuments in Weimar (according to the FDC, the series is called Historische Gedenkstätten in Weimar ). This way you avoid those unclear roman numbers.

Isn't it time to upgrade some more administrators to Super?
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