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PS And can someone correct the publisher name from Wood, John & Son Tobacco to John Wood & Son (Tobacco) .

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But now the next question:
I usually have as many images as possible in my own collection
Is there a possibility to use these images as well?
Otherwise I will make some scans

How exactly do you mean this Dick52 ? That we add the images from your collection to the relevant catalog items with a script?
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Ok but what if there is no factory cover on it? I myself still have a stack of 78 rpm records - once received - for the most part without covers.
You probably read over my and Lyonese's answer ;-) So one more time:
images 1 and 2 front and back of the plate and third the first again or even better: an enlargement of the label. We are talking about 1477 plates out of a total of almost 240,000 So basically peanuts.

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Expanding the number of required fields is usually counter-productive with the input. You should also realize that if there is an obligation to enter image 3 from now on, for example, there will be a large number of items in the catalog without image 3. Those items cannot be changed (even by administrators) as long as no image 3 has been added.
This is better described in the handbook and in the help text, so that reference can be made to it in the event of an omission.
The fact that items cannot be changed without a third scan is not such a disaster. You can only make changes and additions if you have the information. You can get most of the information from the label, not from the cover. (Example: many Beatles covers were imported into the Netherlands and Scandinavia from England in the 1960s. Only the records were pressed in the Netherlands and Scandinavia and therefore only recognizable by the label. Without a third scan (label), administrators cannot check whether the import is correct. Importers who want to change or supplement therefore need a scan of the label. If we want to appear a bit professional, that third mandatory scan is necessary.
A third mandatory would be counterproductive? I do not believe it. If we, as LD, think that importers simply provide 12 fields with scans, then the third could well become mandatory.
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You can only make changes and additions if you have the information.

That's right, but you can also have such an item in your hands and not have the option to make a scan. Then you cannot change anything.
But if everyone wants the third image mandatory, we can set that. Please provide new text for the input fields of the images.
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You probably read over my and Lyonese's answer ;-)

No. You wouldn't have responded after this post of mine FransS, right?
Anyway, in such a case you want to use the same image twice, I now understand.


The fact that items cannot be changed without a third scan is not such a disaster.

Then you always force people who want to change an item to also enter a third image. That seems to me to be going a long way.

I do understand that the label is very important, especially if there are several pressings, which is almost always the case.
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What I mean by example: take a girth
I've had those for the past few years
Cataloged with three scans
And in my collection scan 3 (label side A) replaced by label side B
Do I have item complete in my collection
Also done with only LPs (it becomes more difficult if the LP has attachments)
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https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/446371-eurovision-songfestival?image=2

Scan 2 and if you look further 3 too
I had whole exchanges of words with input about that, only then 1 scan was enough (sob)

But enter that third scan standard and then someone will drop out (I'm very sorry) but the catalog will improve in value consulting
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Then you always force people who want to change an item to also enter a third image. That seems to me to be going a long way.
Not me ;-) Either they have the item or they don't. In the second case we are done in no time: there is little to change, because where do they get the information from? And admins can't check anything. In the first case, they have the item at hand (because that is the source of the addition or adjustment) and then making a scan is a small effort. Especially if we think that importers will post 12 images.

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That's right, but you can also have such an item in your hands and not have the option to make a scan. Then you cannot change anything
You do have a point here. But then we have no possibility to check the input. But there is a solution: put the photo of "no image yet" in third place. That also happened when the second image became mandatory.
It's a pity that so few administrators respond. Seems like it's my pet peeve...
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But there is a solution: put the photo of "no image yet" in third place.
A few months ago it was asked to stop adding that stupid camera. And most users won't just have that image lying around without a watermark.
Everywhere I come across them in my columns, they end up in the trash. With of course the known consequence when someone wants to change.
Rene Can you not build anything that only performs this image check when adding and that other fields can be changed when editing?
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This is already the case with Comics...
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It seems like it's my pet peeve...

FransS Rene
In my experience, most sound carriers cannot be identified correctly without a 3rd scan. Making a 3rd scan mandatory therefore seems very sensible to me. I don't really understand the counter arguments. If you can enter two images, entering an extra scan seems like a small effort.
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that third scan yes!!!!!
I would like to go even further
Very simple you have sgt pepper do you want to place it correctly:
Front, back (tracks), label A,
Label B, inside cover striped or spotted, the cut plate (and then for dessert the inside cover)
Now I also know that this is a lot to ask! So don't!
But to be able to properly assess an item I think. 4 scans
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I don't really understand the counter arguments. If you can enter two images, entering an extra scan seems like a small effort.

vertigo FransS , I'm not against it in itself - in fact, I understand that there are almost always label variants - but we need to think carefully about:
1. How do you deal with existing items where there are only 2 images, especially with regard to being able to change those items;
2. How do you deal with items, such as 78 rpm records and singles, for which there is no specific cover or the cover is no longer available. Having to enter an image twice or entering a "no image" image is not a good idea, but I have no other solution.
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What I mean by example: take a girth
I've had those for the past few years
Cataloged with three scans
And in my collection scan 3 (label side A) replaced by label side B
Do I have item complete in my collection
Also done with only LPs (it becomes more difficult if the LP has attachments)

Dick52 , Is it the case with all own images in your collection that your 3rd own scan is a scan of the B-side? Because then we could indeed include it as image 4 in the catalog. But then it must be the same everywhere in your collection.
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Can't you build anything that only performs this image check when adding and that other fields can be changed when editing?

user-1713548 , You could, but then people could delete image 3 again and then save it. Administrators can disapprove of this, but the question is whether you want this.

This is already the case with Comics...
Morits , I don't really remember that anymore. Are you sure? And doesn't that cause any further problems?
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Will not refer to Beatles

But simple item

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/items/9157-centerfield

Side B indicates what is special, see text under details

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/my/collected_items/1502399-centerfield/edit

And I know scanning is sometimes tricky

But it does provide correct information
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Rene I'm talking about modify/save (not create) with image3 required but still blank provided I haven't touched image3. By the way, I thought that only administrators could delete an image, what about a basic user?
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yes, because I often change items with only one image where two are required. Can also be booked with, or with both
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By the way, I thought that only administrators could delete an image, what about a basic user?

user-1713548 , Yes you are right I think only admins can delete images. Then that really isn't an issue.
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yes, because I often change items with only one image where two are required. Can also be booked with, or with both

Morits , aha, then that is indeed an option for music.
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vertigo Rene Dick52 user-1713548 Morits
Idd a 3rd scan/image makes a lot clear.
And a 4th even more.
But next consideration.
What is 'a little effort'?
- enter 1 item = post 2 photos or else 3 = small effort
- 10 gives 20 and 30 = a little more effort
- 100 gives 200 and 300 = a lot of effort
- 1000 gives 2000 and 3000 = a lot of effort
If you're stuck with a 'sulky' scanner...

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Unfortunately that is of course not the case because I didn't realize that in the early days
And later sometimes dealt with it creatively
Take double lp then side C as 3 scan
And now often 6 scans
So just adjusting everything becomes a lot of "work" (time)
And if you would do it very well! you have to pass that on to every collector of item as well
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Simple 3 scan single without cover
Importer can still be Creative
Scan 1 complete single also with black vinyl A side
Scan 2 B side also with black vinyl
Scan 3 label only (legible image) side A
That of course also at 78 rpm, lp, maxi etc (even flex singles) all without cover
I think music cassette / CD are the only carrier where it does not work
But do they exist?
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What is 'a little effort'?
- enter 1 item = post 2 photos or else 3 = small effort
- 10 gives 20 and 30 = a little more effort
- 100 gives 200 and 300 = a lot of effort
- 1000 gives 2000 and 3000 = a lot of effort
If you're stuck with a 'sulky' scanner...

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If you feel that way, I recommend another hobby (enter nothing = no effort). In practice, you see that most large (serious!) collectors always enter 3 images (see, for example, the largest collection at the moment: van herman0501).






2. How do you deal with items, such as 78 rpm records and singles, for which there is no specific cover or the cover is no longer available. Having to enter an image twice or entering a "no image" image is not a good idea, but I have no other solution.

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Entering 2 scans of the whole item and 1 scan of the label (or 1 of the whole item + 2 of the labels) seems like a very good idea to me. The big advantage is that you can immediately see from the image what size you are dealing with. The ratio between black and label of 7",10" and 12" differs greatly.

Compare # 9672731 with # 7878961 . With the first you immediately see that it is a 7", with the second it is not. The data of the label is, incidentally, well legible in both cases.

[Edit]
If you still see objections, it is a consideration to adjust the software so that only 2 images are requested for singles and 78rpm.
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At the time, at Comics, we went from 1 to 2 mandatory images. There too it gave a lot of problems with not being able to change items with only 1 image. A few years ago, Marco ran a script to fill all those empty positions with the system image. That is why nowadays you can also change an item with Comics where there is only 1 real image.

We will see if such a script can also run for the Music section and make the 3rd image mandatory there.
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