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GentilClaeys account may be deleted for all I care.
1 item in shop, with a price that is 100x higher than what the stats, the catalog value and the other offer suggest.
At 121 years old, I think the state of decomposition has long since set in.
Such fake tests (from 2 years ago) do spoil the image and credibility of LD.

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That someone does not state his true age or that his asking price is too high can never be a reason to delete an account, can it?
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The account was created on 10/08/2021. The only item in the shop was put in on August 10, 2021. The rest of the profile (including age, no other activity,...) is sufficient for me to conclude that this is a test/joke.

Another possibility is that a user had created this as a 2nd account to price a certain item expensive, in order to be able to offer the item more expensive in his first account (cheaper than the offer from 2nd account, so it will be according to the unsuspecting buyer who falls into the trap can be a 'batje'). In other words: pure fraud.

It doesn't matter where this account is located. It's superfluous and annoying.

Such fake tests (from 2 years ago) do spoil the image and credibility of LD.
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Seen soberly from a distance, you could think of:
419,750 collectors preceded you (created an account), of which 42,000 actually did 'something' within their account, of which 4,000 are still doing 'something', of which 400 are (reasonably) active users, of which 80 are administrators ...
Who knows, maybe I'll get somewhere close to reality with my fake calculations. But that's what I can imagine when I see accounts like the ones I mentioned in the first post.

My calculations are based on a 'sample' based on accounts with 'Claeys'.
Count the total accounts found (39). Of which '> 1 item': 5 ... of which the last activity I could detect is 7 to 12 years old.
Calculate the %tage accounts with 1 or 0 items compared to the total.

To help you, I calculated: 39 accounts, 34 with no activity (3 with 1 item as a test, 31 with 0 items).
Of the 5 accounts > 1 item, more than half are no longer active on LD.
Project that onto the number that came before us… and the lights go out.

Such fake accounts are eye-catching, and lead to the reflection I described above. Hence: get rid of it.
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I would say order the item and see if your gut feeling is right
If no response, the shop can be closed in any case
However, if it is someone who just hopes to make a big hit what to do with your order (:-)
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015steef500 Raoul62
Fortunately, we still live in a constitutional state. We're not going to judge anyone if they haven't broken any rules.
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Well, 400,000 went before him...
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yep, just delete 400,000 accounts and we can shut down the site.

Every account has 1, active or not.

ps, I also see active accounts that give a distorted picture (read value).
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You have the right to ask a shop what you want for your item. So 66 euros for a coin, which is put away for about 1 euro by other shops, is not against the rules.

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I think GentilClaeys looks suspiciously like Sinterklaas, also considering his age, but a young Sint
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All fuss over nothing. Pffff
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All fuss over nothing. Pffff
You can say that, but I think Raoul has a point. For me, anyone who has not shown any activity for x time (say half, say 2 years) and has not reported this (eg went abroad for a while), may be removed from the list of active accounts.
Maintaining these accounts costs money and space, it gives a distorted picture and who knows, the user may have long since moved to the great Manitou (the eternal hunting grounds).

I don't know if there is a scam involved and I won't comment further, before you know it you will soon receive something from the innkeeper and his guests. I do not want that.
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Maintaining these accounts costs money and space,

Is this Collectioneur or is this not too bad?. I just like to know this, nothing else.
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Is this the case or is it okay? I just like to know this, nothing else.

I don't know, but in the grand scheme of things this will be very marginal. Certainly not a reason to close an account. It might be interesting to see when someone last performed an action. But there are probably also people who are members and only want to view the catalog, there is nothing against that.
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It will have little significant impact on the cost price. But in the use (**) and management (*) of LD, the impact is immense. You need to think about purging, because there are more every day. After all, within a few years, 1,000,000 collectors have preceded us ...

The account I gave as an example is merely an accidental example that then rolled across my screen.

(*) In the beginning, as an administrator, when deleting an item or sometimes also when changing, I made many messages for the concerned users with questions or clarification. What seems to me to be a duplication can sometimes be none due to an unnoticed (not mentioned) detail.
There was hardly any response to the hundreds of messages. Because most of them are "test" and "fake" accounts, or accounts long since abandoned by the person who created it.
That's why I don't do that anymore. Pure waste of time. Then I prefer to enjoy the sun on a terrace with a nice drink (whatever that may be :)).
Too bad for those who happen to be active now and would have been happy with an explanatory message (a user can be wrong about something and therefore see the 'light', I can also be wrong and a simple reply to a message leads to passing the "aha" phase).

(**) If tens of thousands of 'testers' created an account to use for one day, and randomly perform one or two actions with it, then these are tens of thousands of actions that give a distorted picture of the items in question.
Just randomly putting an item in a shop at a price that is either extremely low or extremely high (see example): that produces a distorted picture. And raises the eyebrows of collectors who view LD (or does LD give the status 'ridiculous').
Just randomly ordering something, and then leaving a negative feedback (the ordering was just for fun / testing / bullying) ... see other recent forum post ( bulling against a seller) . Doesn't matter to the 'buyer', it's just a test account for one day anyway. But the seller who fell victim to it ... he remains out in the cold (even twice I have the impression)!

On the other hand, there are also tens of thousands of accounts that have no action whatsoever . Watch and then forget. Because if you happen to notice such ridiculous situations with an item ... then you walk.

And then the RTBF fell. Gone with the right to be forgotten, but in the 'Hall of Fame' of the 'Most added items'. They are, however, closely guarded.
What I sometimes see in the history of items from those RTBFs ... maybe approved at a rate of 100 per minute, with eyes closed.
Sometimes you happen upon an RTBF added item, which clearly needs to be removed (not allowed or duplication).
As an administrator, however, you cannot (structurally) check what that RTBF has added (because of the RTBF status). After all, they have been forgotten. But they do show off neatly in the spotlight every day.

This is also related to the question to be able to see whether an account is an active or inactive user.

Hence: get rid of that ballast, and show a 'Date last logged in' in every account.
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Hence: get rid of that ballast, and show a 'Date last logged in' in every account.

that means nothing, after all, people do not have to be logged out, and can simply be on holiday for 3 months. I have been logged in from 2011 to 2021, and then purchased a new PC and logged in again to date.
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Just a few keywords for Raoul62

Musk

Twitter

Acquisition

Accounts

Value

Does the penny drop?
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Hence: get rid of that ballast, and show a 'Date last logged in' in every account.
Colnect style Raoul62 ?.

I often look up something without logging in.
Will logging in be an obligation? To be allowed to remain a member of LD?.
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I remember there was a time when you had to have an item in your shop to keep it.
Individual items were put in the shop at a very high asking price by people so that the shop was preserved and you could still use it in the future if you felt like it.
There will be more of those now
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note 1: it concerns accounts that were created and did not take any further actions, or performed one or two actions on the same day (and then nothing for years).

Note 2: It is perfectly possible to check when someone was last on the site (even if you have been logged in indefinitely).
With 'logged in' in my previous message I actually meant 'been on the site with your account'.

Note 3: if you have an account but never log in, because you only use the site to look things up, then you are not active. Then such a user cannot add, change, buy, sell, or give feedback. No chance to do nonsensical actions.

The inspiration came partly from the forum message ' bulling against a seller'. It's harrowing how someone who starts a shop can be destroyed by a fake account before the shop really gets going.
And that negative appreciation is still present!

And that is all possible because after creating an account (on a night when you are bored) you immediately get a free job to
- randomly putting items in a shop (even if you don't have them) at an imaginary price;
- add the biggest nonsense in any category;
- can immediately spread negative feedbacks;
- can immediately start spamming (messages private and forum).
With a 'frozen period' you could also reduce such situations enormously.

There are no such measures (cleaning up, last time indication on the site with the account, frozen period, ...). Then the problems arise. Then I think: 'deal with it'.

Heck, it makes it easier as an admin.
With some purification and an indication (last time on the site) you could limit lost time due to unnecessary messages. As a result, creating and sending messages can still be considered.
Because of too many fake/less accounts (so no response) I just immediately go on the 'DELETE' tour.
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Raoul62 a clear position, clean up that trade, we already had Saxo last week with all his private questions, but just add something.
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The beauty of (catawiki) LD is that anyone can participate
And I've pulled a lot of importers on the jacket with this way you don't enter an item with 1 scan!
And there have been some cocky bats
But also a lot of goodwill
Very good will
Without that "stubborn" we would never have had this

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/423519-biolcati-maria-ilva

And is it still active? left something beautiful

What matters more to me how can we make sure those who have gone to the eternal hunting grounds recognize?

And those who still want to cheat the ball are more handy than us

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Raoul62 ,
People can create an account to place an order and track it, or to view the catalog values (you have to be logged in for that), or to try out / test something (as you yourself indicate) or for a variety of other reasons.

As others have stated: as long as no rules are broken, there is no reason to take action.

There are also plenty of people who are inactive for a while and then become active again. In fact, we receive emails almost every day from people who cannot create an account because their email address or username is already in use. They have then forgotten that they already had an account. Then they are often happy that they can continue with that.
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Fortunately, there is always René who continues to think clearly and rationally.
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What matters more to me how can we make sure those who have gone to the eternal hunting grounds recognize?
Perhaps a mention in this person's profile, Dick52?. With the date of the eternal hunting grounds and possibly an afterword. Just closing the shop seems unfair and insufficient to me, especially for what some have done for LD.



And those who still want to cheat the ball are more handy than us.

And unfortunately this will always be the case.
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