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Craene, Wim De , Groot, Boudewijn de must be Wim de
according to the Dutch language:
In the Netherlands, these words are written in small letters when the first name or initials precede: Mr. Jan van den Berg and Mrs. M. de Vries, but with a capital letter if the first name or initials are missing: Mr. Van den Berg and Mrs. De Vries.
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Wim De Craene is allowed to comply with the Belgian rules.
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Ok vertigo Wim De Craene may comply with the Belgian rules.
So Craene, Wim De.
But then you have to adjust point 4..1 of the manual or not Collectioneur
Now it says: additions always appear in lower case letters.
The fact is: tons of names are not displayed correctly this way.
I have/have never ever come across Wim de Craene or de Craene Wim anywhere.
Except on LD that is.
And what do you do with surnames that started with a small or large d, for example?
Classic example: Jan De Koninck and Jan de Coninck.
And there are in Belgium, don't worry
Adjust the manual if you ask me.
*,By the way: I have been ennobled countless times by our charming Northern neighbors. Because of the family name written with small d....
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This is and remains a problem, because there are just as many rules in different countries. In Belgium it is De Koninck, Wim. In the Netherlands it is Koninck, Wim de.
But how, for example, is an American with this name included in an American database?
The starting point is still the spelling of the person's nationality. But this is not always known and should we then also determine a spelling per country?
How do internationally operating organizations such as UNO or Europol record names in their systems?
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December 10, 2023 10:06
Wim De Craene is allowed to comply with the Belgian rules.
So Craene, Wim De.
But then you have to adjust point 4..1 of the manual or not

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Apparently you misunderstood my comment. I just wanted to say that I am happy with this spelling and have no intention of changing it.

In itself I would have no problem with "De Craene, Wim", but that variant was explicitly not chosen at the time. Presumably because of the accessibility (reservoirs would be created at the D and V).

And what do you do with surnames that started with a small or large d, for example?
Classic example: Jan De Koninck and Jan de Coninck.
And there are in Belgium, don't worry

Never knew, thanks for the lesson. I think it is most convenient to use the most common form of the name. Because then it becomes very simple:
Koninck, Jan De
Coninck, Jan de

The starting point is still the spelling of the person's nationality. But this is not always known and should we then also determine a spelling per country?

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In the catalog there is indeed confusion about, for example, American, French and Italian names including Van, De, Di, Le, etc.
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December 10, 2023 11:25
buizer As for the nobility, I have a title and then I have to change my name from Demuysere to de Muysere
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Collectioneur lordernie vertigo
There's no problem, right?
Just record the name as it actually is.
So Herman De Coninck / De Coninck Herman / Coninck, Herman De.
And Herman de Coninck (as a pseudonym).
You always find out. Whether you google small d) or big (D).
Now the name is only correct twice in Boeken. And 66 wrong times...
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December 10, 2023 19:36
buizer When I search for this artist in a record store in Belgium. Wim De Craene Which letter is he behind: C for Craene or behind D for De Craene or behind the W for Wim De Craene?
Just a question. I haven't been to Belgium for a long time...
We have also had this discussion with books and the choice was made for Surname, First Name prefix (and this may be capitalized)


Now the name (Herman De Coninck) is only correct twice in Boeken. And 66 wrong times...

Explain, I find 50 books at Herman De Coninck
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Well, Lord, if you do have a title...
And it's just a poor 1 letter and 1 space.
And only costs € 975 (140 + 835) ...
So what were you waiting for...Lord Ernie of Brislington?
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The KBR (Royal Library of Belgium) talks about De Coninck, Herman (1944-1997) .
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I don't think you can compare searching in a database on LD with searching for a record/CD in a record store.
And it will simply depend on how the operator handles that.
And asking a store employee a question about that hasn't killed anyone yet, you know. And saves time and possible annoyances.

Herman De Coninck. 50 on books yes. But click on all sections. Are there more than 50?
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@Jilles @Collecteur
Know what I wanted to know.
Craene, Wim De: allowed
and
Craene, Wim de: also allowed.
But what I've been trying to explain all along: it's not like that in the manual.
There it is only a matter of additions being mentioned in lower case letters.
And furthermore... what does nationality have to do with the spelling of a name?
Whether you are Flemish, Walloon, Belgian, French or Dutch.
Jean De Smedt, that remains your real name, right? Or not?
If Jean De Smedt moves from Arlon to the Netherlands and his son is born there, what nationality does that son have? Belgian? Dutch? Both? Do you have to choose? Can you choose?
Plus the fact that for a French-speaking Belgian the word 'de' (= van) has nothing in common with the Dutch 'de'.

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I don't think you can compare searching in a database on LD with searching for a record/CD in a record store.

No, but the layout and method of notation is
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Jilles
That way of noting down doesn't help with searching, does it?
I thought that Google and every search engine do not take into account 'adjuncts' and other articles, etc
So searches for the main word/independent word.
And the same when playing back.
Presentation according to main word followed by suffix alphabetically.
When I type something in the search bar, isn't it always searched in the same way?
And isn't the display the reflection (result) of that?

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December 10, 2023 21:33
buizer Not when searching, but when putting together a catalog and that is ultimately what we are doing...
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Indeed, not always easy.
But I also think that you should have respect for the person and their name.
It continues to annoy me when (and sorry, not personally, but in general) when dozens of Dutch people X write down the XXXXX on the shipping label addressed to me.
And forget or simply not know that things are even different in Belgium.
And how do you write down this name on LD: Dirk De fauw (current master of Bruges)?
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It continues to annoy me when (and sorry, not personally, but in general) when dozens of Dutch people X write down the XXXXX on the shipping label addressed to me.

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That's easy to solve. Never order anything in the Netherlands again, then you really won't have to worry about it anymore.

And how do you write down this name on LD: Dirk De fauw (current master of Bruges)?

That is a non-existent problem. He has to make a good song first. Only then does it make sense to think about it.
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Of course, we can all make vertigo 'nonsense'.
But turn it around.
If you receive 100 packages.
And 40 of those 'stupid' Belgians/Flemish write your name as R. De XXXX.
That's easy to solve. Never order anything in Belgium again, then you really won't have to worry about that anymore.
You always spell a name correctly. Just out of respect. And respect for the customer. Or do they not know that concept in the Netherlands...? My thought....


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That is a non-existent problem. He has to make a good song first. Only then does it make sense to think about it.

It really doesn't just apply to the Music section.
And the problem is no longer imaginary: Davy De fauw .

I also think you should respect the spelling of someone's name. This may cause some inconvenience for Dutch users, but no more than currently for Belgian users.
And how many people actually search for names via the alphabetical name list?

PS I don't think Dirk would like to be called “current master” either ;-)
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Yes Boekenmagazijn will be the age I think that starts to play...
Is of course 'Dirk De fauw, current mayor of Bruges'.
And it's not just letters. Also punctuation marks.
Forget the accent and you just get a different name.
Caluwe vs Caluwé. Or CALUWE vs CALUWÉ.
And to make it a little more difficult.
In Belgium you will also find Vandenbergh, Van Den Bergh but also Van den Bergh.
With the latter you can only write the name correctly.
All other views are always wrong.
The same for example for Van der Auwera and Van Der Auwera and Vanderauwera.
And I think these will always cause problems when divided into a database. In any language:*.
'T Child, 't Jong, D'Hondt .
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It's probably just me, but when I order something in the Netherlands, I enter my name and address myself. The company I order from only prints the shipping label. So could the fault be yours buizer ?
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December 11, 2023 07:12
Craene, Wim De: allowed
and
Craene, Wim de: also allowed.

Only if they are 2 different people.
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This topic is NOT about the names of the users, the users themselves decide how their names are registered.
The discussion is about the personal names in the various sections and how we should include them in the databases.
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Belgium and others
The prefix is officially part of the surname in a number of countries and is usually written with a capital letter, such as Jean-Claude Van Varenberg (Jean-Claude Van Damme), Ann Van den Broeck. In the Netherlands it is “Groot, Hugo de”, but if this is a Belgian, then “De Groot, Hugo”. (in such a case, ask an administrator to add the alternative name so that the person can be found under both names)

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This quote is from the movie handbook. I find it strange that different rules are applied in Film. You would expect the same rules to apply to each staging area.
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What exactly do you mean by different rules?
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