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I am working on the advice of Raoul62 to do some cleaning up in NL Stadspost. This specifically concerns items that are marked Series, but possibly (also) something else such as Bridge Pair or Se-tenant. Most are straight forward, but there are also doubtful cases:

- #9867389 and #9867351 These are scans of all the pieces of sheet that together form the original sheet. This includes all 100 stamps from the series, but not as individual items. I don't see any point in physically loosening all the field parts. Virtual detachment - "photoshopping" - is possible, but it's a lot of work and you won't see the typical punch-through artifacts. Ergo: what to do?

- #9886391 , #9886401 , #9886397 , #9886399 are examples of self-adhesive stamps that were delivered separately, but all on the same strip. The strip contains the entire series. Se-tenant, series or both?

- #9889077 and #9889121 are examples of stamps in a block where the block is more or less integral to the stamp. Series of blocks, series of stamps, or something else?
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All that is t my opinion , that is the same for FDC = shit philately 
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during a break in between
- #9867389 and #9867351 These are scans of all the pieces of sheet that together form the original sheet
Seems okay to me. All items from the series are on it, and the item is a series type. We don't trip over that.
- #9886391 , #9886401 , #9886397 , #9886399 are examples of this
As items 'Series' I believe it is correct.
I am not in favor of whether they should be divided into different 'Issue groups'. But it is possible and allowed. It is not a division based on a specific property found in the data.
A division of a very large Issue group based on their appearance (each a sheet with 5 different stamps in it) can sometimes be clearer.
If the total number of items is limited, I am always in favor of not splitting up the Issue group.

I think it can be done here in one Issue group. A group that in the complete version would consist of 4 sheets, 5 series, and 20 'Seal' items. Of which 4 series and 1 sheet are now available on LD.
The area administrator can decide here: to follow the user who added it, or not.
Keeping it together initially, and if it turns out that the group becomes too confusing, is also possible. For example, if many varieties, FDCs, MKs, EDB, etc. are added, it may become a bit too large.

- #9889077 and #9889121 are examples of stamps in a block
We never include blocks together in a Series item. that's how it is now.
In this case it might be a shame. But they are and remain blocks. Even though it is always a block with one stamp, with not much sheet edge around it.
Make an exception for this, and then describe it in detail in the manual... It is a possibility that can sow confusion and will lead to other discussions. What if they are all Sheets with 2 identical stamps with not much sheet edge around them (items that are referred to as Block by some, but not by LD). What exactly is 'not much sheet edge'? There are many examples in Arab Emirate areas where such situations occur.
My preference: they are blocks, and we don't create a series of items with blocks. That is the most compact and clear agreement that can be made.

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FDC = shit philately

We know that too :)

If a certain genre of items does not belong to your collecting area or interest, then you don't talk about it.
There are quite a few enthusiastic collectors of FDCs and/or Se-tenant forms. No one has to determine what a user may or may not collect. Collecting is a hobby, and everyone determines what that means for him/her.

Unless you're American. The government then determines what may and may not be collected. Collecting stamps from Cuba or Venezuela, for example, can get you into serious trouble in the United States.


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I am not in favor of whether they should be divided into different 'Issue groups'. But it is possible and allowed. It is not a division based on a specific property found in the data.

I base this on 3 catalogues, all of which use the same division:
- the Private Postal Delivery Study Group (SPP), which has the most complete catalog to date
- the City Postal Catalog 2009
- the City Postal Catalog 2012/2013

I would find it very strange not to follow that. I have made peace with the block/sheet discussion and I don't feel so strongly about it. The definition in the manual is quite workable, so I try to follow it.
We never include blocks together in a Series item. that's how it is now.
In this case it might be a shame. But they are and remain blocks. Even though it is always a block with one stamp, with not much sheet edge around it.
Okay... then I'll start working on making separate items.

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use it to create separate items
That's good to hear. What is in the catalogue, even if it does not comply with the agreements made, is sometimes followed. Then it gets worse.
In addition, exceptional situations sometimes create a precedent, which can subsequently give rise to a hellish discussion. Anticipation is always better than recovery.
I base this on 3 catalogues
Normally we don't follow a catalogue, but if 3 different sources of information (I won't call them catalogues) classify them this way... that must have been thought about. and these information sources are also used by collectors and sellers of city and regional mail.

Now I wonder whether a position for a 'City and Regional Post' area manager would be possible. Mainly for the Netherlands (half of the city and regional postal items in the LD stamp section). You might be a suitable candidate for that.
The Netherlands has the largest number of unreviewed items, and city and regional mail is a very large part of that...
As an area manager you have the advantage of often being able to decide for yourself what does or does not belong together in one Issue group (one of the most important management instruments in an area). Unless there is a different judgment from the highest scaffold (which will not happen very often).
I'll leave that to Collectioneur and postmaster . It's just an idea that came to mind.


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Frenchstamps
But there are collectors of "shit".
Just as there are collectors of 'the real stuff'.

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Oh yeah. That comment from Frenchstamps... I never get it explained in any company or perhaps even to myself why I collect anything at all, let alone stamps. At 51 years old, I feel like the youngest collector in the Netherlands, also at the Filanumis fair last Saturday. When someone in this, according to the news, dying activity, starts to say that my collection is too niche compared to his idea of collecting stamps... I am the first to laugh at so much nonsense. Apparently it was so high that it had to come out here, like some kind of Tourette's. But furthermore: of which. I like Stadspost because of the many stories it contains, the affordability and the search. And anyone who doesn't think so doesn't think so.

Back to the suggestion for an administrator of Stadspost NL here on Lastdodo: de facto I am already trying to keep up. I don't necessarily aspire to the title of administrator, but it can make some things easier.
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portbetaald Fortunately there are younger collectors in the Netherlands and also on LastDodo.
For them, "The Shit" is a very positive expression.
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LD itself may have the youngest manager in house. And it does an excellent job.
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No shit, man.
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well, if LD is really looking for an administrator, I'll let you know. Until then, I can also make myself useful.
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I think you would make a great City Post manager portbetaald . Maybe register via the registration procedure? Nothing happens by itself.
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Raoul62 I went through all the Sheets, Blocks, Series, Se-tenants and Bridge Pairs in NL Stadspost. Everything is now - I think - good. There remain 14 duplicates, 12 of which can be removed without further ado and 2 that have a search list entry.

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/100293-nederland?cf%5B7857%5D=391715&q2=DOUBLURE

If you come across anything that I overlooked, please let me know. After a while I sometimes become a bit chicken. In addition to the FDC duplication that Collectioneur will look into, the Netherlands will then be clean of (detected) duplication, so let's tidy it up
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Perhaps register via the registration procedure?
Done
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postmaster Collectioneur Please respond regarding administrator yes/no.
portbetaald Collectioneur Maybe leave these duplications alone. If the answer is "yes", this is a good exercise in what an administrator can do.
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Jummeke portbetaald etc
We do not discuss whether or not to become an administrator on the forum.
The super administrators of sections give me advice on whether or not to appoint administrators.
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I simply filled out the contact form earlier today as seemed to be the procedure for aspiring administrators.

It was also brought to my attention that there may be another category of systematic issues in city mail. Manual §10 states:

If the appearance of a series is a se-tenant, it will be included once as a series
and se-tenant. Only if the stamps of the series have also been issued separately will both the series with individual stamps and the se-tenant be included separately

So apparently there is a case for Se-tenant+Series. What I struggle with is when a series is "released as se-tenant"

Examples:
  1. #5959997 - Series is in block as se-tenant
  2. #4341179 - There is a sheet in which the series can be found 6 times as a se-tenant
  3. #5809639 - Series is on 2 separate se-tenants coming from bridge sheets A3 with 10 of those series

I can imagine that this is the prototypical example of 1, but I have no idea whether the stamps were also available separately. I don't see it that way about 2. and 3. I like to have series in my collection because at least I know that I have them all. For me, a series of individual stamps is really different from a se-tenant. I do this so that I keep a clean collection and shortage list.

I see §10 consciously for the first time; it goes directly against how I keep my collection so I'm unhappy if I interpret it correctly.
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portbetaald
The numbers mentioned refer to items other than stamps. Typed wrong numbers?
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The links point to the entire Issue so that you can see the se-tenant items in context with the blocks/sheets from which they come. I don't know more about these stamps than this. Are they “issued as se-tenant” or not? That question is relevant to using the manual properly
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portbetaald ,
your links point to other sections, not to se-tenants and blocks/sheets, stamps. I don't quite understand what you want to achieve?.
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You cannot (automatically) refer to (numbers of) collection areas in this way, only to individual items.
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portbetaald Such links point to items (and are therefore incorrect). If you want to refer to Issuance, you must do so in a different way and you will have to give us the right direction.
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If the appearance of a series is a se-tenant, it will be included once as a series
and se-tenant. Only if the stamps of the series have also been issued separately will both the series with individual stamps and the se-tenant be included separately
I have often pointed out that this is an impossible definition. And if it is difficult for an expert, it is certainly impossible for the average importer. I'm glad others are having the same problem. But yes, the earth will remain flat.
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