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December 25, 2023 13:05
Can one of the super admins please merge "Reprise" and "Reprise Records"?

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Which can! I mean, done ;-)
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December 25, 2023 13:43
vertigo thank you. That's fast!
Shouldn't the end result actually have been "Reprise" (or so the help text suggests).
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December 25, 2023 13:51
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You would indeed say that. Only, at some point it was decided to turn it into Reprise Records. That was, I believe, the official name.
The policy regarding the addition 'Records' is in any case slightly less strict than before.

By the way, try to match as much as possible with what appears in the dropdown box. So no own versions.
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December 25, 2023 14:01
By the way, try to match as much as possible with what appears in the dropdown box. So no own versions.
of course. Vertigo/Vertigo Records already existed as two separate items.

Collectioneur something to remove the comment about "Records" from the help text, or is that going too far again?
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December 25, 2023 14:13
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I meant Stoller and Leiber ;-)
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December 25, 2023 14:18
vertigo I think these were only there in combination with others? Otherwise it is not clear to me where the ";" came from in Michael Stoller; Elmo Glick).

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They are listed separately, but instead of the ";" a comma is usually used. However, it is not mandatory. I'll change it a bit.

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Now I understand. Elmo Glick is a joint pseudonym. This is noted as a 'normal' pseudonym. So there is no combination.
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December 25, 2023 14:42
vertigo Hazlewood, (Barton) Lee is listed in three different ways in the dropdown list. While you're at it... ;-)

[edit] By composer
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I was just about to start importing CDs myself, but okay because it's you; -)
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vertigo Helv
Small piece of Wikipedia

In 1976, all activities of the Reprise label were transferred to the parent label with the exception of those of Frank Sinatra and Neil Young, Sinatra because he considered his recordings on Reprise as personal property, and Neil Young at his express request.

There you see Reprise (without record)
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December 25, 2023 16:02
vertigo oops?
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December 25, 2023 16:25
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At the beginning of the article it says this:

Reprise Records is an American record label of the Warner Music Group .

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Sorry, no oops. I know it again now. The logo with the big R says Reprise at the top and Records at the bottom. I think that was the reason.
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vertigo Helv
What I still remember about that record discussion was more the background that we only used the company representation and not a Ltd-nv record
Think FransS could put it better
That is certainly also the case of EMI, Universal, Sony. Etc
Nonsensical additions to me
Only if they actually release something under that name
At Albert Heijn or Boll com etc
We're not talking about Ahold either
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December 25, 2023 17:34
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It's a bit different, Dick. See administration forum Records and CDs: Label names

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It is an old discussion, and I have always been against 'Records'. The main thing is that the Reprise items can be found under one denominator. The rest is detail. This is also my last contribution on this subject.

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Sometimes I don't get it
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December 26, 2023 09:37
Dick52 this help text indeed led to my earlier question. It doesn't seem to only apply to Reprise:



Maybe FransS and Collectioneur should take a look at the help text?

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December 27, 2023 15:40
Helv Dick52 vertigo
We indeed forgot to adjust the help text. It is a very old problem and it involved a conflict in agreements. In the beginning it was stated that terms such as Inc. Corp. BV etc. had to be omitted. I suspect in connection with an umbrella register of companies. (Compare it with the once promised register of persons). Records, Music etc. were also included. But at the same time, a rule was applied to copy information exactly from the label. A long time ago we decided to prefer the latter.

(Records) Labels are often not really companies. The companies behind the labels are the distribution companies (record companies) such as Bovema, Phonogram, RCA, Sony, Universal and EMI. Each company has its own labels, sometimes they are company owned (Phonogram has Philips, Mercury, Vertigo etc), sometimes they release records under license (Phonogram did that with Elton John's The Rocket Record Company and The Famous Charisma Label ). In recent years this has diluted somewhat and you also see EMI and Polygram appearing as labels.

The rule not to include company forms (BV, Inc. Co., etc.) hardly applies in our category, because they do not occur, although there will undoubtedly be exceptions.

It is not surprising that Reprise and Reprise Records were both used. Every now and then the record companies had the tendency to change the logos of their labels and then the word Records was sometimes omitted.

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I think it would be wisest to remove the word Records in the help text.
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For clarity, the text will then look like this:


The label without additions such as 'Ltd.' and/or country. Multiple labels are entered on separate lines using 'Add Additional Label'.

Arcade
WEA
Asylum

The brand may also be entered as a label for advertising items.
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But at the same time, a rule was applied to copy information exactly from the label. A long time ago we decided to prefer the latter.

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Then again, I didn't quite understand that. The result is that we can then get 5 or more variants of the same label.

It is not surprising that Reprise and Reprise Records were both used. Every now and then the record companies had the tendency to change the logos of their labels and then the word Records was sometimes omitted.

Reprise and Reprise Records are now lumped together.
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As far as I'm concerned, okay

vertigo
Can we indicate name variants in the system? Or did you have making selections in mind, because that could also be done via series.
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Can we indicate name variants in the system? Or did you have making selections in mind, because that could also be done via series.

FransS
If we copy the label exactly from the sound carrier, you can get a new variant. If you process that variant as a name variant, you cannot determine the exact label of a specific item.
Would you like to use the series for that in that case?
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Help text has been adjusted.
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Can we indicate name variants in the system? Or did you have making selections in mind, because that could also be done via series.

Not through series
There are much more useful things you can do with it

I think name variations are the most obvious
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I think name variations are the most obvious

Dick52 Collectioneur FransS
Then you still don't know which variant belongs to a specific item.
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