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Dear Dick.
At the Designer/Engraver, can you change the name Shushlebina, O. to Shushlebina, Olga
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Lyonesse why not immediately in the Dutch spelling?
Sjoesjlebina, Olga.

7451Dick if known, you should indeed write the first name in full?
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Because if one searches at Google almost only Olga Shushlebina comes up, and not the Dutch name.
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February 09, 2022 15:20
Collectioneur how do we deal with Cyrillic names, which most users only encounter in the English, German or French transliteration?
In principle we should stick to the Dutch way for the Dutch site. That is unfortunately not trivial. I do have a tool (web-site) where people can enter the Cyrillic name and then get the preferred spelling in Dutch.

However, usually the name is already transcribed into German, English or French.

Other languages lead to a different spelling and so the same designer may now be known by four different names. In any case, there are enough names that appear twice (and usually not in Dutch).

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Are those fields with names (Designer, Persons theme) not quadrilingual?
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It is indeed the intention to be as clear as possible with the names. Imagine that Olga's brother is called Olek.............
As long as Cyrillic letters are not available, you will have to make do with the best possible translations into Latin script. However, it is possible to add "aliases" in case of emergency or doubt.
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7451Dick where can I find out how aliases work or who can explain that?

stripspeldjes behind the scenes that are indeed quadrilingual ... but a Dutch user only sees the NL field and usually types the name there which he finds in the catalog.
Depending on the publisher, it is German, English or French, or anything but Dutch.
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Search for the name under management and click on it. Continues to show itself. Proceed with caution!

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With Olga Shushlebina we don't talk about a Pseudonym, and with the Dutchized name neither, those are real names.
I even believe that there are very few Pseudonyms on postage stamps.
If one If you want to add the Dutch name of Olga Shushlebina, then her real name must in any case run in the background as a name variant, otherwise she will not be found.
Because under Olga Shushlebina you will not find anything on Google.
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February 09, 2022 18:28
Lyonesse your designer is called  Ольга Шушлебина . Unfortunately that cannot be entered. And if it could be entered, there are too many users who can't read it.

Do you know the writer Chekhov? (or in outdated Dutch Chekhov)?
In German: Tschechow;
In French: Tchekhov;
In English: Chekhov.
Yet he has only one name, namely: Чехов .


The background of the different spellings is to be able to imitate the Russian name in sound as well as possible in the language concerned.

The problem is clear to me, but the generic solution is not.
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Please keep to the usual spelling for Dutch, English, French and German. The administrators can adjust the text for English, French and German.

In the field Shown on stamp, the foreign language can be entered, if it is stated on the stamp. Not tried whether Cyrillic is also allowed there.
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Helv 
but a Dutch user only sees the NL field and usually types in the name he finds in the catalog.
When the name has been provided with the correct spellings in all languages by administrators behind the scenes, a Dutch user - even if he uses the English, French or German spelling - will receive a dropdown with the Dutch name as a suggestion.
And a user on the international English site gets a suggestion with the English name, even if he fills in the Dutch, French or German spelling.
Etc.
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stripspeldjes thanks for the tip and Collectioneur for the further explanation.

Lyonesse For now I have kept the passport name of Mrs. Shushlebina and added the Dutch spelling as an alias. I think this works well. Hopefully it will also work with other designers from this region.

In my search I also discovered the patronymic. In full it is about:
Shushlebina Olga Petrovna

Should the latter (Petrovna) also be added?
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Great.
If you want you can also add Petrovna.
I think I've already put a few thousand names at the Designer/Engraver and I always have them there too found was able to add the full name, even with the birth and death date included.
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Collectioneur good to add the patronym? The more complete, the better....

Lyonesse Have you ever come across the name Zavjalov/Zavialov/Zavyalov/Sawjalow by any chance? Three designers with this last name have been active.

I was able to find everything about Vasili/Wassilij. However, there is also an A. and an L. or L.V./L.W. I can't find anything about it other than the initials. I don't even know if the V. at L.V. is correct in my catalogs only the L.
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I am searching,
Have found L. Zavjalov this one is Lev Zavjalov or also Lev Zavyalov born 1932 and is the son of Vasily Zavjalov he is a painter and designer of stamps.
I think A. Zavjalov is Alexander Zavjolov and is also a son of Vasili but I have to investigate this further because he was born in 1946, but this cannot be with which stamps are listed at LastDodo, maybe they are even two different names and they stand mixed up.
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Lyonesse thank you. I also noticed that a few stamps had the wrong Zavyalov. Where I knew for sure, I adjusted this.
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At least I found the full name of Vasili Zavjalov, this is Vasili Vasilievich Zavjalov
Can you change this too.
And at the Series 1973 History War Fleet (note this is 6 items) ) the Designer is in any case Alexander Zavjalov
You can also change this.
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February 11, 2022 13:14
Lyonesse If Lev Zavjalov is the son of Vasili, then his full name is:
Lev Vasilievich Zavjalov. This corresponds to the aforementioned LV

I think you already found the following site:  https://soviet-art.ru/ussr-postage-stamps-by-vasily-zavyalov/ .
It says here:
His sons Lev (born January 23, 1932) And Alexander (born 1946) also became painters, authors of stamps.

I looked up the 1955 stamp #1995555 in two Russian catalogues. In both stands A. Zavyalov.
Either they have the same source with a wrong initial, or Alexander was there early or there was a fourth Zavyalov.

I once came across Aleksei in combination with art, but couldn't link him one on one to stamps.

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Yes I also found this internet Side.
Then the second name Vasilievich is perfect for both yes, that's how you get further and further, fine.
I think there should be at least two A. Zavjalov I also don't believe that people design a stamp at 9 years old, or the year of birth is wrong, this could also be the case.
Keep your search further, you'll hear it.
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Lyonesse I found an online directory of artists (in Russian):
http://painters.artunion.ru/2-08-1.htm
It contains two Alexander Vasilievich Zavyalov. One lived from 1946 to 2001 (this should be the son of "our" Vasili).

The other lived from September 3, 1926 to 1993 and in 1955 was the right age to be able to design a stamp.

In this list there is another name with an A that was old enough in 1955 to design a stamp:
Anatolii Ivanovich Zavyalov [1934-2004]

As one of these both it is, then we still have the puzzle to solve which stamps were designed by this person and which by Lev's brother.


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You get further and further.
Have at least these #1995555 found, is not A. Zavjalov but V. Zavjalov so Vasily Zavjalov, I am already adjusting this.
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Lyonesse where did you find that? Style-wise, #2166769 is very similar and I suspect it is "just" Vasili's too.

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Can you give the name G.O. to the designer/engraver? Modify Komlev.
His full name is German Alekseevich Komlev born and deceased (1933-2000)
It also says somewhere that he was born in 1926, but I think this must be 1933.
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Lyonesse I see a Komlev G.O. and a Komlev G.A.
Is Komlev ever entered incorrectly and would Komlev G.A. (with the full names as you indicate above)?

I also see a Komljow, German. That is undoubtedly the same?


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