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Could the manual at least be adapted for '3. Face value'?

Change to ' 'Copy exactly the value (numbers) as it appears on the stamp, without coin indication.'
With a third example and a fourth:
'If a stamp reads 75 Tausend, enter 75.'
'If a stamp reads 3 千, enter 3'

Further it says or clear which exceptions there are for eg 'one penny' or 'a guilder', and for the textual mentions of 'Rate groups'.

Maybe also 'Also a comma (or period) for value indications with major and minor digits.  Use the decimal point that is customary for that country/region.
Keep this convention, to enter the search groups Make and keep 'Nominal Value' optimally usable.'

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January 26, 2022 21:41
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not clear that you can write "international 1"
See manual: it concerns a 'rate group'.
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January 26, 2022 21:44
Tip for careful importers: my Krause coin catalog of the world has one page that contains the corresponding Latin numerals/numbers of Non-Latin numerals (all those often weird curls).
Unfortunately on LD you can only find these items per put country in the background page.
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January 26, 2022 21:50
Raoul62 my simple question was to include this (i.e. "International 1") as an example in the handbook. Now there are only singular terms (at least for Dutch people).

Is the Stamp Handbook available in all 4 LD languages?
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January 26, 2022 22:08
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According to the manual you write only fill in numbers.
Have made a test at German Reich.
Filter on nominal values 50, 65 stamps appear.
Starting with 50 Pfennig, 50 Mark and 50 Million
So according to the manual 50 Pfennig is also 50 Mark and also 50 Million.
See the difference?
What's going wrong?
Greetings John.
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January 26, 2022 22:08
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The manual is available in 4 languages N-F-E-D.
In other words, each adjustment must first be sent to the translation agency.
It contains 6 examples of tariff groups. It's impossible to put everything in there. More are added every day.
It also doesn't say that you have to copy the spelling (spelling, capital and small letters, ...) exactly. Seems pretty obvious to me.
'FIRST CLASS', 'First Class' and 'first class' are 3 separate search groups in the search window. Always copy exactly what it says. It's not that difficult.
The country really shouldn't be included (so not 'FIRST CLASS USA'). This is already stated in a field that is suitable for this :)

To get an overview of the tariff groups of a country/region: select the country/region and open the 'Nominal value' search window. They are listed there.
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January 26, 2022 22:16
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There is an error with the entry of the item. Usually :'Handbook not read'. Sometimes by pseudo-intellectuals who always want to be smarter. If they were half as smart as they think they were, they were still geniuses. Unfortunately, the reality...

The notation of face value in much of the catalog is a problem that has grown historically. That's what I've been saying regularly for more than a year: everyone can contribute to improving the catalog.
It wasn't so bad in the past. But since there is a search box for Nominal value it is very natural. It undermines usability.
Everyone can, for a country/region, know what the situation is like, and pick out those deviating (errors) from it. Select, open, change and save item. Whoever seeks after you will be grateful.
Repetition works (sometimes). I'm not going to go back and rewrite everything I've said several times.

Earlier this week I saw such a mess in the United States. I have already corrected several hundred. Other useful work, for which I do take responsibility, has been left behind.

In short: these are all ERRORS in the input.
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If the search window shows '50 Pf' it is ERROR. It MUST be '50'.
That's the deal. And agreements, you have to stick to them.
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That's right.
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January 26, 2022 22:29
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Raoul.
You talk around it, in my example it says 50 and not 50pf
I asked is 50 Pfennig the same as 50 Mark or 50 million.
That's the conclusion anyway if you filter on 50.
So again, what is wrong with the manual, if a Pfennig, Mark and Miljoen are the same.
Greetings John.
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So according to the manual 50 Pfennig is also 50 Mark and also 50 Million
The purpose of Face value is not to determine the value of the stamp, otherwise you would have to write 50 Pfennig as 0.50 (No !).
The face value is  literally what on the seal says: sometimes that is 0.50 and sometimes 50 (don't think too much, just watch and retype)
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January 26, 2022 22:36
I was just about to write too. The target. Apparently some give great importance to 'Value'. You can put this in the boxes 'Catalogue value'.
'Nominal value' has nothing to do with a monetary value that you would like to convert. It is a field that allows a user to quickly narrow the search area in his/her search for a stamp that he/she wants to place in the collection, in the search list or in the shop.

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January 26, 2022 22:38
Read the manual: '... without coin designation'.
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January 26, 2022 22:42
And 1 mark is also 1 euro.
And (I don't know Germany well, so take Belgium) 1 (national without value) is also 1 (europe without value) is also 1 (world without value).
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user-1713548 now I'm completely lost. For Belgium you have to fill in: "1 Europe", I mean "Europe 1". Isn't that the same as in the Netherlands "International 1"?

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Just changed a lot of new German input from for example 0.32 to 32 (as stated on the stamp). Also wrote to the importer, because his input was not correct. Didn't get an answer. Is the manual like that? unclear or are people just stubborn?
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I'd better not answer that lol
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If it says yes. If it isn't there, don't start fantasizing. How can a user from Spain, who wants to look for a Belgian stamp, know that it is 1 Domestic or abroad? Same for the Netherlands. If it says '1 International', type that in. If it only says '1', then you only type 1.
A little empathy is needed. Imagine the place of a Chinese who gets his hands on such a stamp. The number is recognizable, the rest is Chinese for that man (or woman). Ditto for Putin (not the one, but the other one) who bought a Dutch stamp, eg #8349915 ,  and wants to search on LD. Is it '2 Euro', 'International 2', 'Europe 2' or '2 Domestic'? That good man shouldn't know that. Filtering on nominal value 2.  The search area is then still 214 items instead of 34,710. How many X rapper will he find the appropriate item do you think?


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Or this #8993867 How would you like to find these by face value?.
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Raoul62 suppose I buy some old stamps in Belgium. The seller is kind enough to frank philatelic. I don't throw anything away, so at which face value should I look for the following stamp:

At face value "1", at face value "1 Europe" or at "Europe 1".
Or, better yet, what should I fill in if this stamp was not already in LD.

Empathizing with a Chinese, I still recognize the 1 through my coin guide, but I can't make anything of the rest. Yet this is apparently a different 1 than with this stamp:




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Incorrect entry. See manual.
You're not looking for that either :)
All kidding aside. You search for 10 and look for a seal of the issue, you click on it, and in the detail you click on 'Issue '. You will then see whether it is there or not. Correct? Was there a price for this question?
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Incidentally, as a Russian with more knowledge of French than of Dutch, I suspect that Belgium is the country. In that logic, the tariff value and therefore the nominal value becomes "1 Belgium".
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Belgium is recognized, otherwise he would not look for it in the Belgium area.
Ok?
Europe is not a country. One is '1 EUROPE', the other is simply '1'. That's what it says. There are those who want to make the latter '1 inland', '1 inland' or '1 (1,34)'. That's fantasizing. It doesn't say that.
Just as it doesn't read '1 EUROPE' on certain stamps. It's '1 EUROPE'. In Tengels.
Just as there are no stamps with 'prior' on them. It's 'Prior'. That's it, nothing else. No play on the spelling.
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Raoul no price, stamp just arrived fresh. I know that it is the wrong entry. But apparently the importer does not!.
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Sorry, I'm going to sleep. Have heard it now.
All I can say is: follow the manual. Agreements are made to be observed by everyone. The rest is just common sense. And even if you write a hundred pages of explanation about 'face value' ...
There will always be some doubtful cases. You submit this concretely to the manager of the area concerned, or, in his absence, to the main manager. But don't fantasize, but think from the point of view of the 'other' user. That's what I wanted to say. There are no prizes to be won :)
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Gute Nacht, me too
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